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first..wow
2nd
Snow day in Texas..oh yeah..
Ha! I don’t even have Nancy Grace on! Hubby is using tv
Ah nice! I wish we’d get some snow here in North Carolina
lee refused his fingerprints. they had to sopena him
so the Anthonys admit to ‘conflicting statements’…fancy term for lying:)
snowing a blizzard where I am.. michigan..
Ok I have been out of the loop today, what hapened in court today?
all motions denied to the defense in court today
what is Lee’s problem..he refused to take a dna test until he had to..you think he would want to do everything he could..yet all he gives is resistance..shady!
h tamie i am jealous we are getting rain as usual
Snow and ice storm in PA –
I can’t get the first phone call Casey made from jail –
‘What do you mean, you don’t know what my involvement is?” when she is speaking to her mother –
Cindy answer — ‘Sweetheart, I don’t know what your invovement is” —
That speaks volumes …..
anthonys said they will now “START TELLING THE TRUTH”
thanks artgal like we didny know that would happen. Did Biaez look like a jack–
Bozo was put in his place in court today and it was great to see that..
So the Anthonys would need immunity from what??
I dont understand why Lee would give LE such a hard time with dna and fingerprints.
they confirm its a girls skull – a slip of the tongue by a prosecutor – then LE said later it was a “misstatement” no gender ID of remains yet
sffting through the dirt so that baby can be buried all together.. i am happy they are doing that
oooo I gotta go see the transcript when NG is over
artgal……
they had to retract it because it isn’t “official”
cooper where did you get that about the anthonys starting to tell the truth?
I dont either, Shelley my daughter and her bf took over the tv!! May have to move it to the back room on the laptop..But I was first for the first time ever..Gold Star!..Tamie and Elisa you would be laughing at what were calling snow and that we called off school…sissies!
What reason would Lee have to refuse DNA n prints? Theories?
because lee was leading the investigatin from the jailhouse videos.. and he found her guilty already.. wants no part of it.. or he is guilty too.. from taking the memorial down i would say cold hearted.. and thinks he is above the law..
yes its true – definitely a slip – however, they did confirm that it was light colored – hair does that match caylees? would you consider her hair light colored?
They know everyone is watching they wanna do this 100% right.
artgal, the Ant’s atty made that announcement yesterday, they admitted to making conflcting statements, and they said their re-interview will not conflict…. we will see.
LOL Andie
Personally I am glad they are getting immunity if it makes them give more info..
what is going on with lee? whats his story he needs
anger management that is for sure -so aggressive and mean
so they don t know the gender? trenton duckett has been missing too
casey threw this baby away like a animal.
Andie,
Same here! The only people coming into my business today are people that aren’t from here. They think we’re a bunch of scared-y-cats. I think it’s pretty intense though! Although, I’m already annoyed with the drivers!!
they shouldn’t be allowed a ‘re-interview’
I hope that dosen’t mean the first ones will be discounted?
Immunity? The state would be idiots to grant that. Mispeaking? Hell that is the understatement of the year
Can someone clarify this for me, did they find a skull or full set of bones?
andie……i bet, i lived in texas in the 80’s had about 4 inches and declared it a state of emergency while i was on my way to the store that was closed.. i am from here in michigan. we get a lot of snow.. no biggy to us..
they found a skull and some bones..
annmae, they can tell how long the remaind have been there. Trenton has been gone for years.
So the Ants are admitting they made mis-statements
wow – thats really incredible – are these statements about the sightings or about the car I wonder?
skull & bones
andie and tamie — I’m originally from Buffalo so unless it’s in excess of 2 feet, we’re good —
Gee, when push comes to shove the Anthony’s finally move right along eh?
If Lee knew Casey was guilty you would think he would be more willing to give his DNA etc. Why continue to help her? It should just have cleared him if he is infact innocent. Not convict her…
Like I said.. George needs to gets his own attorney and fin for himself.. i see.. tossing under a bus in the near future..
artgal thats pretty much what their attorney said, you could see him kind of roll his eyes a little also
How do we know the Anthony’s will be telling the truth this time?
i know laura but i keep hoping – for trenton
I want snow
well maybe lee knows something
well jessica today on the news.. they mentioned advances from george and lee towards casey.. maybe that is why he wont give DNA???
he also said we still believe zenaida took the baby BUT NOT the zenaida from sawgrass oh puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhlllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
I know AnnaMae, I do understand.
If your granddaughter was your focus, why does it take so much for them to cooperate? This should be the FIRST thing they do –
I know, about the drivers..Arrgh..Used to live in NJ so Im used to this..Probably we close everything to keep the drivers off the road! The school busses were breaking down bc of the cold too..They even closed the govt offices in the county where I live!
This is just so sad.
I would not have a problem granting immunity to the Ant’s. As long as what they stated would help convict KC. Which would mean tell the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth. They might have to bite the bullet, but they can do it. They will be living in their own hell withour prison time.
you could tell he was saying something he did not believe
I thin the Ants are idiots. They are not seeking immunity because they want to do things right and give all the information now. Like their daughter, they are looking after their own interests. They are BUSTED. The State should file obstruction of Justice charges for interfering in an investigation ie: making misleading statements, providing false evidence (wrong hairbrush) disposing of evidence (vacuuming the car, washing clothes, etc). The State just might get the entire Anthony family
and cindy has said.. when parading around the country.. lying is not a crime..
I think Lee will make them force him for everything. I think he knows KC’s guilty and has known for a while now which is why he went stealth.
He wants to look KC in the eye though and say what ever evidence I gave up on you I was forced to give up, I did’nt just willingly help them convict you.
Not saying I agree with him, but, I think it’s where he’s coming from. He appears to me to play the role of the protector in this family dynamic.
tamie: what do you mean today on the news they mentioned advances of George and Lee towards Casyee?
Oh andie im in NJ ! what part r u from ? sorry off topic.
Its okay Laura, we dont get real snow, we got sleet and ice, maybe a few flakes.
If they the Anthonys go back for a re-interview, how do we know they’ll tell the truth this time?
prayers to John Walsh and his family..imagine not having your child’s murder resolved for 27 years.
This is so hard for the Anthonys I just hope they can find peace and tell the hole truth.
Now Drew Petrimoux on NG says that the Anthonys made false statements – then NG producer says they were conflicting statements – aka they LIED
They can’t help but give conflicting statements because they are a house of liars
Liars never can remember what they say
no more conflicitng statement from the anthonys if given immunity.. guess they got their scripts… this time.
I have always gone back and forth with Lee being the father…I know its extreme and I may just have a crazy imagination but he is the one leading me to believe that. I honestly just can’t find a reason for him to be so difficult, except that he was Caylee’s dad.
Its okay, native Texan but lived in Whitehouse Station, really small town in central nj near Raritan..
i say day late dollar short.. they need to go to jail.
The Anthony’s are going to keep trying to pin it on Zanny….day late and a dollar short….I agree NG. the entire thing is another smoke and mirrors trick
I still go back and forth with the anthonys. Yes they are liers yes they are trying to protect casey, I just hope they can be on caylles side. Nomatter how muh the truth hurts.
lying to a cop during a crime investigation is a crime
also now saying they need immunity because they could be charged as accessories.
I always said if they want immunity for something
in order to get it – they have to give something in return
what could they give? are they going to tell the truth
about Casey?
a lot of people have wondered about that jessica. That and a couple of other things which I won’t go into because they have been gone into before
NG doesn’t believe that ANTS have had anything to do with Caylee’s murder….duh she needs to get her head out of the sand
#1Laura, I agree…….. I hope they can.
Has anyone else had the thought that maybe Law Enforcement is playing this extra smart by not confirming yet that the remains are Caylee Anthony? The ruling by the judge today, that it was a bit presumptive for the defense to request access to remains that may not be the alleged victim of their client, just brought that to mind. Seems like a smart idea to me to gather all the evidence they can while keeping the defense from interfering. That way Law Enforcement can build their case AND prevent the defense from mounting their defense. At least for now.
No im sorry I cant go there with Lee being caylles dad. Hes not. she probably doesnt know who the dad is thats why it was never pushed by cindy.
Stephanie.
I think NG has a lot more credentials than any of us. And she has “human” hunches just like us.
I think one reason they give conflicting statements is that perception is reality to ppl, and CA’S perception of things is so skewed..ie something could be blue, and George and the rest of the world could see it but CA would argue that its red…Her perception of things is skewing the truth, unfortunately the truth is the truth and shes not on board
I don’t think nacey grace believes a word the anthonies say I also think she beieves they are not so innocent either…she is playing good cop with them
No im sorry I cant go there with Lee being caylles dad. Hes not. she probably doesnt know who the dad is thats why it was never pushed by cindy.
Oh so they need immunity so they won’t be charged as an accessory? Ummm can that happen if you are an accessory?
nancy is on her game tonight..
NG is a hard ass and is getting short with all her guests. I am grateful that Caylee has been found and that finally the nation will be able to lay her to rest. She deserves a final resting place and a dignified burial
Time for Cindy to get on board with the truth
LauraTheTrue, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:22 pm Said:
Has anyone else had the thought that maybe Law Enforcement is playing this extra smart by not confirming yet that the remains are Caylee Anthony? The ruling by the judge today, that it was a bit presumptive for the defense to request access to remains that may not be the alleged victim of their client, just brought that to mind. Seems like a smart idea to me to gather all the evidence they can while keeping the defense from interfering. That way Law Enforcement can build their case AND prevent the defense from mounting their defense. At least for now.
I think you are 100% right on this issue!
It’s obvious now that they weren’t protecting Caylee because they knew she didn’t need it — she was already deceased.
I know it’s terrible that this is all happening at Christmas, but may be if Casey, George, Cindy and Lee had been more honest, this would have been resolved long before now. Yes, it’s terrible to have a funeral at the holidays, but to quote Cindy, “Who’s fault is it sweetheart?”
LauratheTrue,
Strickland is just following the law. And the defense doesnt have a right to any of that stuff, in the rare case it isn’t Caylee
thats very interesting question shelley, yes you can
be granted immunity depending upon the degree of
helping to hide a crime, or even to commit a crime.
I believe they have even offered immunity to people who were accessories in actually commiting murder
in florida they can go after parents for protecting their kids with accessory after the fact if they knew.. which i am sure they did .. that is when they started changing their story.. to protect casey.. since they already lost caylee. immunity would toss out anything they have said in the past.. and i say. nooooooooooooooo.. let them fry.. for not standing behind that baby.. it ws their duty to be her voice.. and they failed her..
I also agree kathy101 its a ploy from the prosecution but thats ok … i love to see Biaez squirm !
Andie–I agree that what people’s perception is their reality. How is that different from someone who perpetuates lies to create a false reality that their daughter was taken by Zanny the Nanny? The ANTS are narcissistic liars…the whole family. Where else did casey learn her behavior? I believe the statement is Monkey see, Monkey do
WTF???? Is Nancy Grace trying to kiss butt? She is defending the Anthonys? Is it because nancy wants them on her show? Come on, Nancy – get a grip. George & Cindy have NOT been cooperative – and it has nothing to do with their grief.
Yes, they lost their granddaughter. I know they are going to have to deal with that – that is sad for them
However, all of this previous nonsense that we have seen from them is certainly at least debatable, and I hope law enforcement looks at it closely.
Actually we are not supposed to go there w Lee being the dad..is that rule still posted on here?
I thought cindy “wasnt afraid of jail”
Elisa, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm Said:
It’s obvious now that they weren’t protecting Caylee because they knew she didn’t need it — she was already deceased.
I know it’s terrible that this is all happening at Christmas, but may be if Casey, George, Cindy and Lee had been more honest, this would have been resolved long before now. Yes, it’s terrible to have a funeral at the holidays, but to quote Cindy, “Who’s fault is it sweetheart?”
I know it is sad this is happening at Christmas but if the anthonies were honest this would have happened at the 4th of July not Christmas
What did they give Casey — a xanax?
Jessica,
I have thought the same thing. KC knows who the father is for sure and for her to not go after him for money is suspicious.
artgal do u have law expirence?? I think you doooo
CA said lying is not a crime? OMG!!!!!! ……….and she is a nurse? THAT is scary!
elisa , cindy didnt do anything but pamper casey.. once she was jailed..
oh casey was taken off psycological watch today.. her 5 bereament days were enough????
kittypinkwine — I agree — she knows who the father is — and being as narcissitic as she is, there must be a very good reason why she hasn’t tried to collect child support –
yes andie it is, just out of respect for caylle.
I guess Casey’s anxiety attack didnt last too long since she’s off psycho watch now..so glad to know she doesnt require a shrink…give me a break! I wish she was suicidal
LEE ” YOU ARE THE FATHER”
Casey might not have really known who the father was
and if so, she would then have to account to her parents about her promiscuity and I think the Anthonys were in the dark as to Caseys sleeping around.
Cindy refused to believe that Casey was even pregnant at 7 months no less! she told her brother when he said that Casey looked pregnant – she couldnt be – she would have had to have sex to get pregnant! Cindy was clueless.
I’m going to say: They should NOT give them immunity. They should have asked for it much sooner than this. There’s a body found now and now they want cleared after admittance that they’ve sent out conflicting stories? No, I hope they give them a big fat NOTHING! They are doing the Casey move, thinking of themselves and not Caylee. And if the give them immunity after so many lies and conflicting statements, are we to assume they will now tell the truth. I certainly hope not. They’ve admitted, by admitting conflicting statements that they have indeed broken the law……..prove it and arrest them!
My theories are that he was married w a family OR she has NO idea!!
I believe that the ANTS found out what really happened after casey came home from jail when Padilla bailed her out. That is when all their crazy behavior really began : “it was a pizza”, “Zanny took her”, “caylee was spotted”, etc. They also became more agressive and more irrational as time went on and Lee disappeared from the scene
As I said earlier, that first conversation where Casey called home from jail to her mother, “What do you mean you don’t know what my involvement is” Casey sounded so irritated with Cindy — why would she say that unless Cindy knew?
NG is a smart woman—-she will say the Ants were’nt involved, if she did’nt she may never get an opportunity to interview them later.
Yes, Ginger that makes much more sense.
That Lee is just refusing to cooperate because he knows she is guilty and doesn’t want her to be convicted…and will feel better about himself if he doesnt’ contribute to anything that will.
No Laura#1 no law experience – just a lot of crime novels =both fiction and non-fiction.
oh my god, duck tape wrapped over the whole head.. geesh
If this is found to be precious little Caylee (which I believe it is,) I truly believe Cindy and George are going to hang Casey out to dry (especially Cindy.) I truly believe that they will turn on their daughter when they come face to face with the truth.
I believe part of their “immunity” might be to admit there was a huge fight on the 15th and both girls left the house, that George did not see either of them on the 16th. They may also admit to tampering with evidence, etc., in hopes of not being charged in any way.
I do not believe for one minute that either of them had anything to do at all with precious Caylee’s disappearance or the disposal of her little body. I believe that they only defended their daughter to the nines because they could not accept that their daughter was monster enough to harm their precious Caylee. Once realization smacks them in the face, I believe they will make a 360 degree turn and turn on Casey.
I lay you ten to one Cindy wants to go to that jail and rip her a new one. I lay you ten to one that Casey does not want her parents anywhere near her and they are probably being advised by their attorney to just stay away from Casey.
Down the road, they may find forgiveness, but I truly in my heart of hearts believe (especially Cindy) will turn on Casey like we’ve never seen before.
Casey is solely and completely responsible for the death of this precious little baby and Casey is going to pay for it big time.
She is a manipulative, horrible, sociopath, but she is also very very stupid and she made many many mistakes.
I dont think they were involved..With the murder? No way..
Ginger~I agree. For interview purposes, Nancy definitely doesn’t want to piss the Anthonys off. They’ll never come back. She is trying to win them over.
NG is crying
I don’t think they deserve immunity — Casey can be convicted without it — they knew what they were saying and doing at the time and were pretty arrogant toward LE who were only trying to do their job — you know, find their beloved granddaughter that CINDY called them to assist her with — The Anthonys know they are going down with Casey and now they want to negotiate — I don’t think they have much to negotiate with –
nancy grace is choking up too
I think NG is going to break down..
does anyone know if the SA can make G & C (and Lee) take a polygraph as part of the immunity agreement?
Almost forgot to give my weather report, blizzard here in the windy city as well. It is beautiful if you don’t have to drive in it.
its just horrible
All of this information tonight is very, very heartbreaking
I mean everyone knew the worst, but to hear all of these facts coming out is just riveting and strikes up so much anger within me right now…
PAULA thats an awesome idea
well artgal you are very smart and I enjoy your posts
I posted this earlier on another thread, but will repeat my latest thoughts of how this trial will play out, if there is a trial.
I believe the evidence will become overwhelming and damning that directly links KC to this crime. The “dream team” will need a new stradegy. The defense will present to the jury though expert witness testimony that Caylee’s cause of death to be that of an accident. KC panicked, and made up the nanny kidnapping story. KC placed the duct tape over Caylee’s mouth after her death to go along with the kidnapping scheme. The defense will no longer argue that Caylee was not in the trunk of the vehicle, and agree that Caylee was dumped by KC. The defense will present evidence and reasonable doubt to the jury that KC murdered Caylee. Caylee died from a tragic accident.
That is if the autopsy can support this theory, or be manipulated and argued in such a manner. Many people still believe this may have been an accident, and the jury just may buy this defense.
Anybody else on board with this? This is just my opinion. I hope the SA’s Office does get a conviction for 1st degree murder, but I have concerns.
the comment about Caylee being on Sants’s lap and not in a cold dark autopsy room broke her broke me too. how very sad.
even LP sounds so somber when speaking tonight
KC’s statements of abuse by GA and LA were just more lies and a means to gather attention for herself, garner sympathy and provide an excuse later for her murdering self. All while throughing her family members to the wolves. Sounds so KC.
J – you have a very good theory – I too never believed that George saw them on the afternoon of the 16th
I think they left the night of June15th after the fight
because I alwasy felt that Casey needed the cover
of night to kill Caylee
I think that Crazy didn’t know who the father was for this reason…why would she exhibit altruistic behavior just because the man she was banging was married. Crazy only thought of herself in every situation to the point that she would murder her daughter
i dont know that i can continue with this case.. it just keeps getting worse. and i think of that little baby.. i am sitting here cryng on my keyboard.
be back later..
Paula,
They can’t make them… but I am sure they could highly suggest it.
Paula- Yes, part of the immunity deal can be to take a polygraph. This can not be used at trial, just to assist with the case.
Paula — that should be a must — they’ve lied before so what makes anyone think they would tell the truth now?
Just their version of the truth to make themselves look innocent …
could it be the immunity deal they want is to get casey to confess. If she felt her family had turned and she had nothing to live for, just maybe for once in her life she could tell the truth
Elisa – she was testing her mother to see if Cindy would believe her.
OMG!.
This is all so rediculous.
LIke the SA is going to go yes…let’s put the DP back on the table at this juncture. They are going to wait until all of the evidence is analysed and reviewed and make an intelligent well thought out decision.
Nancy is being very dramatic tonight.
In addition, Drew stated that his information was based on a leak.
Nothing says that it is true. And then…I love the way she turned to Poodilla for verification! LMAO
right on j..
Paula no one can make you take a polygraph
they arent admissiable anyway and its kind of like
taking away your fifth amendment right – not to incriminate yourself
copper, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:29 pm Said:
LEE ” YOU ARE THE FATHER”
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UGH & ouch. I disagree.
As far as I remember, Lee told a few people about the fight, including Jesse Grund — but Cindy and Casey never admitted to it — correct?
wasn’t it weird how George got mad that Casey was lying in..I mean ‘ON” her bed with Jesse and Caylee. I mean she had a baby! It’s not like she had never done it before. Plus, I used to LOVE lying with my parents. I just don’t see the harm.
If CA and GA want immunity in exchange to not have criminal charges filed against them, that can be a condition for immunity, a polygraph.
I think it was supposed to be like
“cuhhhh…Luke, I am your father.” lol am I wrong?
burn them all
That was my exact thought yesterday toni. I think it’s a possibility.
Krisam — I think you may be right. An expert last night said that the insanity defense cannot be used, she would not want to admit to murder, so what other choice will she have? Besides, that could create alot of doubt in the minds of the jurors –
NG is crying? Oh My
We have not heard the worst yet. It will be more gruesome when the trial begins.
Thanks Zenga I also agree with you.
Watching Nancy tonight, I learned the Anthonys are seeking imunity. Remember when the cadaver dog hit in the back yard. Is it a possibility the Anthony’s assisted or moved the body of Caylee after it was buried by casey from the back yard to the location where it was found. The fingerprints could make them acomplices or accessories if found, thus the push for imunity.
Copper, be nice and adhere to the rules of this site.. no incestual references…
Well, its time to start being honest…..can someone loan them a dictionary please…just so everyones on the same page.
Its also time they get an education on what they could be facing …..accusations of criminal conduct done by Anthony family members against Casey.As in sexual abuse.
If these are false accusations then they just bought a few seats on the Casey Cruise line next to the Grunds and Amy H. who the Anthonys have pointed fingers at as well.
I would think that position mighty uncomfortable.
Krisam, my thoughts are that they can try to prove that it was an accident all they want. LP just said it again that he thinks KC killed her by accident. I do NOT believe this and I think it is very evident by ALL of the overwhelming evidence. You have to look at KC’s actions after she killed her. If it was an accident, you would have seen some type of remorse or some sadness at some point. You also look at what she was looking up on the internet which is very damning to her as well. Take this into consideration and then the evidence that they WILL find on that duct tape and she is going down for sure. I have not doubt that they put her under the jail.
if caylee’s father was a married man…that would not have stopped casey from getting support! she is the type that would take pleasure into breaking apart a family! afterall if you would sleep with a married man you really don’t care about his family!
my 2 cents!
“Nancy is being very dramatic tonight.”
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Drama Mama – I was just going to say that. Nancy seems pretty overwhelmed tonignt about Caylee’s remains being found. She seemed about to cry just now.
I just don’t get why she feels so “badly” for the parents. She seems to be making up excuses for the parents. Does she want them on the show? Or does she really feel badly for them? confused. dunno at this point..
But Jessica — Casey told her mom that she couldn’t be pregnant b/c you have to have sex to get pregnant
Maybe she stole Zanny’s baby —-
OK here is something interesting I read books by kathy Reichs she writes crime novels and originated the tv show Bones – she may testify for the defense – I emailed her thru her website and I toldher that I have a huge amount of respect for her but I thought that it would certainly tarnish her reputation to be part of this defense team. She emailed me back that she doesnt get paid and that whatever she found would not be slanted toward either the defense or the prosecution.
First off, I was shocked she actually emailed me in
person! She is a hugely prestigious forensic anthropologist who writes wonderful books by the way.
Anyway, the point being that even though they might be forensic people asked to testify for the defense, they may not be paid, and they also may not testify in the way the defense expects.
I don’t know about the ANTS being so angry with Crazy. I still think they believe her and would do anything to protect her, especially CA. George is just being led around by the nose as he has the entire time.
Why would they ask them to take a polygraph in order to give them immunity? So you give them a polygraph and they lie and it picks up on there and then you give them immunity. You’ve accomplished nothing because they will then be immune. They would have to give them immunity and then the lie detector test, then you know that they are definitely telling the truth or not. I don’t think they would agree to that, even at this point.
copper, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:29 pm Said:
LEE ” YOU ARE THE FATHER”
I don’t even know if Caylee’s father is pertanent to the case at this point. The only thing concerning me is did her own mother murder her or not.
I am not sure that your comment, Copper, is appropriate as an honor to the memory of this little girl.
Caylee should be on Santa’s lap, enjoying the lights, looking forward to new dolls and toys, admiring the christmas tree. Casey stole this from her when she took her life, and for what? Out of spite and her own jealousy and selfishness. Caylee, you are our Sunshine, sweetie.
casey is a horrific killer. and the worst part is she killed a child she carried.. and so many strangers would have taken that baby and loved her unconditionally
This defense gets on my damned nerves, no consciense at all. Rush rush rush, everyone on that defense team including the parents dont’ have that child at heart what so ever they just want to get this trial over ASAP!
I dont know Curtis because if it was in the yard, that was before the trunk, which CA herself reported
Paula- I am not saying it was an accident, I just offered a possible defense stadegy we may see in the future. You don’t have to convince me that Caylee was murdered.
I do feel sorry for the anthonys, they didnt ask for all this attention. They could have handled it very differently though. But no one should be dealt this deck.
lol. true Elisa. But when George said that to LE my first thought was…”Well. what’s the big deal with that?” They thought Jesse was the father anyway. It wasn’t just some one night stand…for once.
Maybe she was Mother Mary…making Jesse Jospeh.
DQ………
Did you send that article about the people at Sawgrass Apts to NG?
I agree with you Toni
if they are still sticking with the nanny story.. they willl not be telling the truth.. NO immunity
True elisa, was she a virgin or was she being abused by her father and brother—which lie does one believe.
Bombshell,
No, I did not but I think I will do that tomorrow. I wanted to check out a little more information.
I know Casyee was seen at a hotel the night/morning 15th & 16th. Yourturntohelp remembers it too
I have doubted George saw them too
Either that or Casyee came back in briefly. With or w/out Caylee
I feel badly for them.. Casey brought all this on everyone..and her alone. If they lied, that was wrong, as are many of the ridiculous things theyve said and done. But what kind of person would just flat out have no sympathy for their loss, and wish more harm on them..
Cindy, to lie in a criminal case is a crime (perjury)…..its also a sin (Bible).
#1Laura, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:41 pm Said:
Thanks Zenga I also agree with you.
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Thanks, Laura – I just see no need for that kind of post at this time. There is NO proof at all.
Where did you see she was at a hotel?
andie…… thanks for that…… I totally agree!
LuLu said:
I seriously would not doubt that there was all kinds of stuff going on at Sawgrass. Maybe even in empty apts. Esp if someone had access to keys.
Mo posted that Victoria posted on my space: Aug 14, 2008 6:04 PM
So im starting this new babysitters club..i hear there is good money in it.. care to join?? hahahaha
Drama Queen posted: Katie Sue Robinson refused to be interviewed but offered up Vicky as a friend of KC
Sherry C posted: Vicki Aleman was on yesterday morning’s In Session. Being the mom of a 3 year old she was very upset about this because she doesn’t want people to think that young moms like her give their child anything to put them to sleep.
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the wheels are spinning – what if there was a “baby sitting club” in sawgrass apartments where they drugged their children so they would sleep so they could all party. – especially if they ran around in the same circles. They have something to hide!!!!! they might no be involved in Caylee’s actual death but LE should look at what might have led up to it.
Who is Caylee’s father may not be pertanent to the case but I for one am still very interested in who is the father . . .why so secretive? I wonder about the Father’s family, if they knew they had a grandchild & a few other questions as well . . .
I am also very curious to what it was that Casey wanted to tell a gentleman ( I forget his name ) in Calif. . . something she apparently felt she needed to tell him in person & was unable to do it via the phone or internet
~ May you ALWAYS be Blessed & may you ALWAYS Bless others ~
toni – the Anthonys created this situation — it took years to get to this point —
Jessica — I know — she stayed out all night, took Caylee to parties, did all sorts of stuff — but whatever you do, don’t cuddle (oh yeah, that might be normal)
how many people kill their child on accident then they decide to stick their child in their hot trunk for a few days and wrap electrical tape around their child’s mouth because after all if was an accident and then to top it off they throw the child that was killed on the accident in a double trash bag… then they go out to dance and get drunk every night because after all if was an accident! Oh and because it is now in a trash bag they throw the body out like trash!!
Then why not lie and blame everyone else because that is what you do when your child dies on accident!
Indy- immunity is like a contract. CA and GA would have to testify for the SA”s Office. If an immunity deal is met, and CA and GA do not follow the conditions of the deal, it is taken off the table and charges may be filed against CA and GA. A polygraph would simply assit LE by allowing them to know if indeed CA and GA provided true and accurate new statements.
lungs?? who said there are lungs?
Good call, Kathy. That does raise an excellent possibility! I could see her extorting somebody big time. And that raises a whole slew of gruesome possibilities now. Sick.
I can’t wait to turn on my DVR later and watch this. Seeing hard-nosed Nancy Grace getting choked up? Wow. I didn’t see the first episodes the Anthonys had on the NG show. Was she nice to them, or did she rip them new ones?
Telling your mom you’re pregnant is a scary thing when you’re young, especially if the dad isn’t supportive. I know of a LOT of girls who have fudged the truth on pregnancies until they came clean with their parents. But for Cindy to be a nurse and not pick up on anything…I have a very hard time buying it, even considering the source.
Has there ever been any confirmation that Cindy ABSOLUTELY told Casey that she had to keep the baby? Or is it something that Casey lied about to Kiomarie? I would like confirmation on that first, because I have to wonder if Cindy had planned something like helping Casey give the baby up for adoption, as is the case with many in that situation. Learning more about how the rest of the family found out the truth would be interesting. Maybe Casey let the cat out of the bag, or maybe Cindy had second thoughts on giving her up. Just some food for thought.
This sick monster doesn’t have a clue who the father of precious little Caylee is. I really wish people would let go of the theory that she (precious Caylee) is a result of incest in the family. Don’t buy that one for a minute either.
I think we’re just dealing with a monster girl who manipulated everyone her entire life (yea, sure the parents are to blame for her raising also,) but Casey made the decision to do the awful things she has done all of her adult life all on her own. No one has twisted her arm or forced her to do anything.
I truly believe when Cindy blew up at her (over stealing money and on the advise of her psychologist,) Casey purely out of spite, did something to harm precious little Caylee and it has snowballed from there.
Mark my word though, this monster is as stupid as they come and she’s screwed up big time. She’s going to get caught and no attorney, no matter how good they are or how manipulating they are, are going to be able to convince a jury of peers that Casey was not entirely responsible.
As far as George and Cindy go, to me, the hell they will have to live with for the rest of their lives is punishment enough. I truly believe they were so full of grief at the thought of their granddaughter missing, they hung onto anything, no matter how ridiculous, to believe that precious Caylee was still alive.
My heart just breaks over this story, all of it.
Nancy almost tripped Poodilla up there.
How do you know that?
Hmmmm he thought. Better think fast.
Kathy 101, oh then don’t forget then rent a movie with your boyfriend while your daughter is dead in the trunk about killing a person and leaving them dead in the trunk!
Krisam~Exactly. Don’t give them a lie detector in exchange for immunity. Give them immunity and then a lie detector so we’ll know if what they say after immunity is true. And if it isn’t, withdraw immunity. I don’t think they are telling the truth or that they will tell the truth. They still think the nanny did it.
how did the skull become separated from the other bones?
Elisa,
The Ant’s created this situation? No way…….. KC did……..
Well, Leonard Pailla has been reading this website – he just referred to something that Caylee will “speak volumes” on that autopsy table. So there ya go – LP must reed this site.
This was discussed and presented loudly on another one of our threads here.
Why should they now give them immunity, they have sat and lied their butts off to save their daughters butt. Their daughter is a complete liar and doesn’t deserve a damn thing, now all they are trying to do is save their own skin!
I myself would like to see an immunity deal for 2 reasons. 1, CA and GA would have to provide true testimony during trial for all to see. 2, Justice for Caylee is more likely with CA and GA on board.
Zenga ~ you are right..I remember reading those words from another blogger yesterday!
padilla had to take his big face off nancy grace..he doesnt have anymore business there.. he posted bond,, revoked it now go the f home.. today.. you were there for 10 days.. and now you know all the inside.. the only one they let back there was tim miller.. padilla was not allowed back there.. goooooooooooooo home padilla isnt there someone you need to bail out of jail?
Jennifer Fl., on December 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm Said:
Kathy 101, oh then don’t forget then rent a movie with your boyfriend while your daughter is dead in the trunk about killing a person and leaving them dead in the trunk
oops sorry Jennifer I forgot that one! Hell all my friends that kill their kids on accident do that!
Stephanie~soft tissue would allow the skull to separate itself from the spine upon it deteriorating. Animal activity may have also played a part. The possibility that her neck was broken would have sped it up.
In spite of the mistakes the Ant made raising their kids, KC still had her own choice. They might not have had the best of parenting skills, but many many many great people have come out of sad homelife situations.
Trust me, if immunity is offered to CA and GA, the nanny story will be done with. Then, a new defense stradegy, as I offered above.
Krisam that is the brighter more positive way to look at the situation. The glass half full. More of us (like Me =) should look at it like that). The prosecution would probably get further and that’s probably their realm of thinking….
however, on this immunity thing – your lawyer doesnt just bring it up out of the blue – what does their attorney know that has him even mention it? LE has said that there are no charges pending against the Anthonys
so why all the talk of immunity? Usually you have to be informed that you might be charged with committing a crime and that for your evidence to solve a bigger crime
they will give immunity in exchange for testimony.
Zenga, I couldn’t agree with you more. Don’t know why NG has him on the show. But then again, after months of listening to NG, I don’t have much faith in her either.
Tonight is the first night though that I think I actually heard her upset (sounded like she was crying and her head was turned.)
I take everything LP says with a grain of salt and I really wish he’d quit saying that Casey accidently killed precious Caylee and put duct tape on her days later acting out a kidnapping theory. Casey is NOT that smart, but he sure is giving the defense something to work with!
Krisam, But they’d also like to see them get their chops busted too…
Bombshell — they enabled her throughout her life — during the interviews when they discuss her 1/2 credit needed for graduation, Cindy goes to the school — After all, this has been going on since her junior year — why haven’t THEY (the school) done anything? Why did Casey just get the credit? Why was it the school’s fault?
This is just an example of how they taught Casey to look at life — it’s never your fault and it’s all about you –
Now they have to live with what she’s done and Cindy told people that Casey was a thief and sociopath — She knew exactly what she was dealing with and took no steps to prevent it –
I used those words yesterday, not sure if anyone else did.
Indy Deb, That is what I meant, see if they will take a polygraph before immunity is offered. They would have to take it first and I don’t know if that is a possible bargaining tool but it would sure be nice to have that first and then decide if they give them immunity.
Krissam, I didn’t mean to come acorss as though you are suggesting this theory. I was just responding to the one you put out there that might be used by the defense. I can tell by reading many of your posts that we are probably on the same page about whether she was murdered and if it was an accident.
omg ~ everytime they show those jailhouse video tapes, you can just see how she is “on a stage” with every word she’s saying. what is the deal with Lee??? Why’s he so resistant?
Krisam, I agree,
The Ants will be punished in their own living hell.
Did anyone ever find out what was in those e-mails that were hacked from the ANTS?
I think that the Anthony’s need immunity because she confessed her crime after they got that car home. after George was sent back to work Cindy and Lee tried to clean the Car with the carpet cleaners ( they removed at least 2 the other night) what do you guys think.. I hope they procecute the whole Anthony family….
lee is in shit up to his knees!
I think Lee has a lot to hide and he knows he is about to go down!
Maybe Casey took Caylee to his house after she died and he told her what to do?
art- Perhaps CA and GA are ready to take a stand, and they are very aware of their past obstructive acts and lieing during the investigation. Or, they are worried about sources suggesting possible criminal charges on the Anthonys. Not sure, just speculating.
I have to get ready for work…..I work nights. I hope see you all here again tomorrow!
My gut instinct tells me Lee is father also, if he was innocent, why not give what is needed to be cleared!!! Also the Anthony’s are going to start telling truth, WOW, because they have something on them, already,,,,my guess, so NOW I WANT TO TELL TRUTH!! As it was said :THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
Well, that last guy just summed it up (what I’ve said) on NG! The game is over!
Casey is going to rot in prison (if they don’t seek and win DP – which they might yet!!!)
Maybe that’s why he had the tube socks on the other day, Kathy
I don’t blame G & C for what Casey did, I blame them for not protecting Caylee knowing full well what their daughter was — Caylee needed that protection and they had an obligation to provide it Caylee was the innocent victim ….
Paula- I suspected so, just wanted to make it clear. The comments are coming in fast!!!
Night, Kitty!
Gwen – good point. Maybe that’s why they haven’t been to see her.
Now I don’t remember the day (recent) the A made this statement but, they said if the remains were CayLee they will still stand by their daughter.FWIW
No I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes and I feel for their loss.
You know I wouldn’t even go so far to say the parents are to blame bc of how she was raised..There comes a time when adults decide for themselves. My husbands aunt was so screwed up in the 70’s, raising a single daughter, doing drugs, bringing different men in and out of her life..but today the daughter is a well adjusted successful person, and a wonderful parent. Same goes for some parents with inexplicably evil kids.They did not teach her to kill
Does anyone in the family use “normal” words…when did LYING become…mistruths, halftruths, backward sort of way, misspeak, etc…only because I am misunderstand there backward speak.
Stephanie, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm Said:
Did anyone ever find out what was in those e-mails that were hacked from the ANTS?
personally I don’t think they were ever hacked!!! It was very funny that came out right after the Emails cindy sent to their spoke person about the hair brush she did not give to the police…she wanted to spin a web so she could say I did not send that email… I was hacked
So… The other night my bf was rude to me infront of my friends. The whole next day he was the most difficult person I had ever met! Super defensive and as uncooperative as he possibly could be. Than he told me today that he was embarrassed. He acts that way when he gets embarrassed.
So, I’ll compare that to Lee. The accusations his sister made of him and the fact that he’s related to a murderer. He’s embarrassed too. When those cameras are on him he goes into defensive mode, knowing what all of those people out there are thinking about him.
Ok that helped me have a TINY bit more sympathy for him.
OK Brigit. 8:59……..thats cute!
they were passing notes through the bozo.. maybe lee knew something that is why he stepped back a few months ago.. and if anyone really thought that child was still alive.. and taking tips off caseys myspace..why has no one logged into it since october? right when lee stepped back and when cindys story started to change.. and george;s too.
I think most of us feel that both Cindy and George really failed Caylee – they knew what Casey was and still they let her take her – they could have gone to court and gotten custody – or threatened Casey with cutting her completely off and made her relinquish her -parental rights. They failed Caylee and they know it.
Lee has some knowledge of what Casey did. I think he didn’t want to be involved but Casey told him something, which makes him involved. They are very close. She would confide in him.
The only way I would even consider giving the anthonys immunity, would be for them to take a lie dectector test first. Then go from there. At least that way LE can see all of the “conflicting statements”they have made.
Also, with the judge not granting any motions brought forth by the defense. Baez is crying unfair treatment. Don’t forget KC had a 31 day head start to hide any evidence. So this in my opinion, is only evening out the playing field.
Lets all pray this is indeed a “Christmas Miracle”, and that justice will be served.
Good point, Jessica. I am very camera shy, and I get grouchy when they start coming out. I know if I had a media frenzy in front of my house I would be noncooperative, to say the least. Cameras tend to have interesting effects on people.
Hey Guys- Love all comments as always, but got to go. Ya’ll Take Care!!!!
Kathy…the email being hacked…I commented that only happened AFTER Baez was allowed to take his computer in the KC, and wondered if KC had hacked her own mothers computer. Ooopppps another misstatement…it was supposed to be a joke…but who knows.
I honestly still don’t see all of the Anthony’s suddenly redeeming themselves and telling the truth. I really don’t. I think LE needs to pinpoint their lies and misleading information, charge them and be done with it. Do I have compassion for what they have gone through and what they are going through? Of course, I do. But when you intentionally create disturbances and misleading information to LE trying to solve a criminal case, you MUST be charged and held accountable for your actions. Say nothing or say something helpful. They would have been better off to say nothing. Rather than do that, they have made a fiasco and a circus out of the entire case, hindering chances of LE to make your daughter crack and tell all. The Anthony’s have broken the law and like Casey, need to be held accountable.
I meant your new name….I forgot to say that
I think she told him the night before they made the 911 call
Gwen, trust me, the Anthony’s did not know that precious Caylee was dead. They simply did not know. They may have been responsible for tampering with some evidence, or not surrendering the right evidence to LE, but Casey and Casey alone is the only one who disposed of precious little Caylee and her family (no matter how disturbed they appear) did not know precious Caylee was dead.
I stand by my believe that Lee is just sick and tired of the craziness of his mother and has intentionally kept his distance. Time will tell, but in no way to I believe he had any knowledge of precious Caylee being deceased nor helping dispose of her remains.
Night, Krisam!
LOL Thank you, Radiogirl
Kobe is on Larry King talking about the case
They want immunity because they are guilty , somehow they have their fingers in there and they don’t see nothing good coming to them since Caylee is already found , give me a break they need jail time not immunity , all they did was protecting their daughter , so have them all together in the some cell so they can have christmas together and talk about their crime
Brigit (formerly Mostly a Lurker, because I coudn’t just lurk), on December 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pm Said:
Maybe that’s why he had the tube socks on the other day, Kathy
hahahaahahhah i did think I saw flies zooming around those socks hahaha
Larry king live has casey coverage on now
Kathy:
J, I really do you hope you are right but, something is rotten about their actions and the way they have tried to cover for their daughter
humm Jaden so true!
I still think the whoe lot of them need to be charged with SOMETHING! I guess being weird, rude, and snippy aint enough tho LOL
I think ppl are being a little hasty juging Lee. His family has fallen apart in front of the whole country, I wouldn’t be cordial either. Hes embarrassed im sure..hes trying to have his own life.I mean has anyone come out with a character assasination against him?No old friends have said hes a thief, liar, etc.. no wonder he’s distanced. No mystery to me.
Accidental death won’t fly…
1. 31 days to report her “missing”
2. many opportunities to tell the truth
3. lies to LE about work
4. lies to LE about Nanny
5. continues Nanny theory
6. If defense now changes to the “accident” theory, I’m sure there is more than enough trauma to contradict that.
How many children do you know of that have died of a broken neck or a head injury unless is was from a specific activity such has a sport or a car accident.
RE: Lee’s behavior
1. You have all these cameras in your face
2. Your little sister has been charged with her own daughter’s murder
3. It was drizzling.. maybe he didn’t want the stuffed animals to get soaked and ruined.
4. HOA’s have a rule about stuff on lawns
artgal,
Maybe getting custody was more difficult or complicated. When I remarried, I had a son by my previous husband, my present husband wanted to adopt him. I could not do that without naming the father, because he had a right to object. Well his real dad took off, by then had been gone a few years, didn’t know if he was dead or alive. It was a lot of red tape to get the adoption through. We had to put ads in every newspaper that was a possibility he was there to search for him. It was a mess. Everything turned out ok, but it was a very long drawn out process.
Yes, when all is said and done, the Anthony’s failed precious little Caylee…
I was just reading about Trenton. Poor baby! They think his Mom did it too?
Andie, it seems that when people become famous, no matter what it’s for, there are always trolls from the past who come out of the woodwork to gain their own fame by trashing people. I’m sure he wants nothing more than to put this in the past. Like I said above, having cameras in my yard would be a nightmare. I wouldn’t want to be famous for anything.
So will the same Cream Team represent C&G? No, I highly doubt it. That’s why they need immunity. That team won’t help Casey out of this either, they are there for “high profile’…….high profile baby killing. If I see one more video of Casey crying “family”, we all need to be together, I feel she is close – I think I’ll scream.
Question, If they do charge the anthony family will they be able to benefit from Caylee’s death in anyway? Bookdeals, movie deals etc???
Bombshell – Caylee’s father wasn’t even listed on the birth certificate, but I’m sure there were other things that would make it hard to do if Casey wasn’t WILLING to turn custody over.
Salem, The Ant’s have their own atty
Trentons mom killed herself
Yes I know it can be difficult to get custody,but in the
anthonys case they held all the cards – casey couldnt hold a job,she was dependent on her parents – I would have tried at least -Cindy was quite aware that Casey was stealing and lying -
I’m sorry!! I take back my judging of Lee! I still think it’s creepy the way him and Casey interacted in the video interviews though. That could have been her fault though.
I doubt it highly. Lee probably could though because I DONT THINK HES INVOLVED
About Lee’s actions in removing the memorial for Caylee, I think he was so distraught at the news that this could be Caylee, and still in the process of trying to understand all that has gone on.
A guy that’s gonna be a father soon(if that’s true)am sure he is just dealing with this the best he can.
I do feel bad for all involved except for one person.
Gwen~From the information I have gathered, nobody implicated in this case would be eligible to gain monetarily from book or movie deals. I believe it was the girlfriend of serial killer, Son of Sam, that wrote a book on the story and the law was created to prevent her from gaining financially from the case.
Kobe, please be quiet since you now work for the defence (or volunteer)..it is revolting to watch u on Larry King saying there isnt much evidence to suggest Casey killed Caylee..please!
exactly Flmom…
They could have possibly had to find who the father was. And I think they kept hoping KC would change and step up to the plate and be a good responsible mom, and maybe KC would be good for a while, and CA would forget about fighting for custody.
You don’t retain a lawyer and ask for immunity unless there has been something unlawful that MAY have taken place.
My ex was the key witness in a death penalty case…..death of small child at the hands of the parent.My ex did not retain an att. nor ask for immunity..
I feel 98% certain that Casyee would have to do several (at least maybe 5 or so) praterntiy tests.
She sleeps around, long story, I know this one…
It’s most likely 5 or so guys she was sleeping around with at once. Kinda hard to know who the father would be in situations like that.
Things must be really different in other states than it is here in Connecticut.
First of all you cannot just kick a person out who is residing in your home even if you call the police. For example if you have a daughter who you have had it up to here with and want them to leave and they refuse and you call the police to have them removed the police will ask how long they have lived with you and do they recieve mail at your home and by golly if they do, you can do nothing to force them to leave. You must go through an eviction process which is impossible if you do not have a lease. Try getting a nasty daughter to sign a lease. It is a flippin nightmare.
For a grandparent to take custody of a grandchile is an even bigger nightmare. You need to report to DCF, multiple times but if if the child lives in your house be forewarned because you might be charged as well for providing an unsafe environment and find that if you did seek custody you would lose because you envolved in the problem to begin with.
It is all a nightmare scenario and something that needs revised legislative action.
I have no idea what GA and CA tried to do with respect to Caylee and KC but sometimes what sounds simple is not so simple.
tui, I agree with you. He’s dealing with a lot.
I dont get how people like Kobilinsky who work for the defense can go on TV so much and talk about the case=until this case, Ive never seen that before – doesnt he help to “taint” the jury pool?
OMG sorry i ipromise I wasnt yelling!! I cant type w out looking at the keyboard!!
You don’t retain a lawyer and ask for immunity unless there has been something unlawful that MAY have taken place.
My ex was the key witness in a death penalty case…..death of small child at the hands of the parent.My ex did not retain an att. nor ask for immunity..
DQ, I believe the standards are the same in Ohio. If that is determined to be their residence whether they pay rent or not, you have to go through eviction.
Yes, C&G have their own new attorney. But do you think they expect the rest of these experts that have jumped on board to help them, after they’ve requested immunity. I just don’t see it.
artgal..Kobe is doing nothing but making a fool of himself..he said negative and possibly damning things about this case before he joined the defence team
I wonder if any of these guy’s that were in Casey’s circle of men, knowing that she went from one to another, wouldn’t it be possible that one of them could be Caylee’s biological father…….
Could they be tested to see if that is possible??
Just dont let your misguided child know that you want to throw out.
I believe that LE knows the paternity of Caylee. Does anyone agree?
About the memorial too… when my husband died, after the service I wanted the flowers out of the house..looking at them made it more real for me. I know the ppl that sent them meant well, so I took them all and threw them off of my husbands favorite fishing pier in the Galveston so ppl wouldnt see them in my dumpster!! Sounds bad but I felt that way..
Oh man, Drama Queen. I had no idea it was so complicated. I always thought that if you owned your home and your kid had to go, they HAD to go by law. You raise some excellent points regarding the unsafe environment, too. I don’t even know what the laws are in my state, I’ll have to check them out.
My goodness, Radiogirl. That’s so sad, and it had to be so tough on your husband.
If they get immunity would they then be able to profit? Good reason for them to ask for it because they are guilty of something and both of them are not working right? How else are they paying their bills. They haven’t stopped getting them (bills) since this whole story broke have they?
If KC did not willingly turn over Caylee to the Ants, C&G would have had to outed her in court as an unfit mother and sight examples. Givens CA’s actions regarding this situation does it really seem like she would stand up in court and say anything against KC?
Its true grandparents have absolutely no standing in the courts eyes as to their grandchildren – however
if true that Casey wanted to put up Caylee for adoption that is when Cindy should have legally adopted her.
Apparently Casey was lying and stealing for a long time,but hindsight is always 20/20 isnt it.
Its all said and done now except for a trial hopefully
justice will be done
DQ, same in Texas..I have an 18 yr. old that makes me nuts, believe me Ive told her to hit the road if she doesnt like the rules, and asked about this before
I couldn’t agree with you more about the grandparents adopting Caylee when the opportunity was there. That’s something they’re going to live with for the rest of their lives.
And this Kobe guy, he’s one of those just looking for the publicity like many of these trolls trying to make a name for themselves from this horrific case.
Couldn’t they commend and not be blasted all over tv every damn night, it’s disgusting.
In the FBI interview, George mentioned already at that time that he and Cindy were aware that they could be facing charges themselves in this case. That was an odd statement to make if someone was completely innocent. George and Cindy were well aware that they had committed actions that would cause them to be charged. Was George putting out a suggestion of immunity for the truth already then? I think so. So immunity now is too late; I wouldn’t believe them, and I think they lie so much that they could pass the polygraph while lying.
They could always make money off of the case in some way without a doubt. But they could make alot of money with movie and book deals. If they are charged in connection with the case, they cannot gain from movie or book deals. If given immunity, I’m not sure, but my guess would be that if given immunity from any charge in this case, they could gain monetarily with movie and book deals as they would have no charges involving them.
TUI, I would think it would be a liability for them to have Kobe on so many shows. Everyone slips up now and then, and depending on what he knows, I would worry he would slip up somewhere along the way.
LilMamaD, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:53 pm Said:
Zenga ~ you are right..I remember reading those words from another blogger yesterday!
LilMamaD: YEP!
True tui..it is really sickening..Mark Geragos commented that ‘pretty white women’ and ‘murdered children’ are staples for people’s interest and fascination..this man just comes across as so insincere and jaded
In Texas there is also Family of Victims compensation..if not charged, and if its available there, one of them might recieve it.
I think all this talk about George and/or Lee being Caylee’s father is a bunch of junk. More lies coming from Casey…..
The Anthonys can also make “licensing” deals
which can net tidy sums for use of photos and videos.
In fact, every time you see that video clip of Caylee
singing you are my sunshine, they anthonys maybe getting a check!
DQ::::the same is true in California, they can’t just kick anybody out if you have resided in a residence for a certain amount of time and receive mail there…etc….
Kobes only job in this is to create reasonable doubt.
No matter what happens they all have to live with their actions, my grandfather always said that “It will come home to them just be patient.”
Here’s what I will say about the immunity mentioned:
When Geraldo interviewed one of the girls for the SA’s office, she did mention that there was a relatively new law in place that would make parents accountable for covering up a murder.
That would me if Cindy or George or both new of the murder and covered it up, they could be charged with Accessory to Murder.
My thinking is that LE might just have something on Cindy, George or Lee (but I don’t see Lee lawyering up).
The immunity would probably be to spills all the beans for a lesser charge of Obstruction of Justice.
I do remember in the past that Mark Nejame was NOT representing Lee, only Cindy and George. My guess that is the same with the new attorney.
Thank you, Indy Deb.
artgal16, on December 16th, 2008 at 9:22 pm Said:
Its true grandparents have absolutely no standing in the courts eyes as to their grandchildren – however
if true that Casey wanted to put up Caylee for adoption that is when Cindy should have legally adopted her.
I would bet you that CA offered to adopt Caylee when she was born. Just a bet.
Ten bucks KC would have adopted her to anybody but her parents. By disavowing her parents the right to Caylee KC had her pawn …do what I say or I take her away! And she sure did.
J, on December 16th, 2008 at 8:55 pm Said:
Zenga, I couldn’t agree with you more. Don’t know why NG has him on the show. But then again, after months of listening to NG, I don’t have much faith in her either.
Tonight is the first night though that I think I actually heard her upset (sounded like she was crying and her head was turned.)
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J: This is the best post – and yes I agree. Thanks for your contributions to this website. Yes, Nancy was almost in tears – I think because she is a mom of 2 young babies that this case has really gotten to her. And I believe that she is most sincere (& grieving) in this regard about little Caylee.
Brigit;;;;;such is true, this Kobe guy just rambles on and on, he makes me crazy.
Anyway, I still go back to this father thing, what if Casey also dislikes the father so much(we all know she said he died in a car crash, which is a lie….again)but knowing who this woman is, maybe she also did not like the father as Cindy put it, Caylee was a mistakes, but the best mistake Casey made in her life…..the mind just wonders all over the place to try and find answer’s….who knows……
I do have compassion for George and Cindy. I, in no way, can comprehend what they are going throught. But at the same time, the law is the law, and they have obviously done their part in making this investigation more of a nightmare than it already was. They broke the law in many ways. Should they not be held accountable for their actions? I think that not being held accountable is what led to all of the problems with Casey, isn’t it?
Ok Help me out here, someone just chewed my butt out saying that Ocso Lawyer could not make that statement. Is this true does it have to come from Forensic, FBI???
Here in michigan we have to go through the courts for an eviction.. i have 9 rental homes.. and to get someone out who has not paid rent takes from 6 months to a year.. I have not had to evict anyone for about 5 years now.. but with the last eviction it took us 9 months.. today we have a mom who has 3 kids and her hubby took off, she has not paid her full rent in 4 months.. but we are not going to evict her because of her circumstances.. and that would make us monsters to do such a thing.. but here.. it takes courts to get evictions.. from our own home.. our kids never had to be evicted.. lol.. hell i never wanted them to move out and get married.. wanted to keep them home.. over baring mom..lol
Caylee’s Law is on petitionsite.com I will check to see if there is a website. bbl
you guys….NG ALWAYS sounds like she’s ready to break into tears! If at no other time than when she says “Good night, friend”
Yes I have to agree – Casey used Caylee as leverage against the Anthonys. The video tapes of them at the jail have always fascinated me – they almost looked
staged
i agree drama queen.. casey had the pawn that child over her parents.. and she used it..
Tamie,
Nice of you not to evict the single mom of 3, being single with 3 kids is pretty hard especially when you have an absent parent. I think you are kind to work with her as long as she is making an effort.
Who chewed on you Shyloh????
I will go chew on them.
Unfortunately, I do not know the answer to the question.
i know that i hope the resuls come out before christmas so that each one of us here can say a little prayer for caylee on christmas day.. or for that matter.. say one anyway for whoever this baby is..
tamie said:
lol.. hell i never wanted them to move out and get married.. wanted to keep them home.. over baring mom..lol
How sweet!
In the end, the Anthonys face years of trips to a prison, waiting in long lines to see their daughter, watching her age before their very eyes – going through the motions at holidays, birthdays, not wanting to face
sleep for the dreams of what might have been,
all in all a very long and arduous punishment – dont you all agree?
here is michigan we are in a bad recession.. as most states.. the mom deserves a break.. she needs to get on her feet. if I can help.. it is my duty to do so.. i could never evict a single mother.. hell, ask my husband how much furniture I have given renters.. or how many breaks i have given renters.. he just rolls his eyes and says.. we have shelters honey not rentals..lol
Shyloh~Rightfully, she shouldn’t have made that comment considering all being under the assumption that the sex of the remains has not been confirmed. The announcement of the sex should be released by the Medical Examiner and/or Forensics experts. I don’t think it should be considered “gospel” considering where it came from, but I think it confirms that the remains are most likely female. But, Shyloh, it’s not your fault she said it……..LOL.
There is a difference between kicking your kids out and evicting non-paying tenants.
Most kids want to move out of the nest by 23. I was 29 when I left my Mom’s house, and moved in with my (now) husband. The living situation was driving me insane, but I couldn’t afford to move out on my own and everybody I knew had roommates or didn’t want one.
Definitely, kicking the kids out would fall under something other than the FL Landlord-Tenant act. However, if you let you adult children move back in after they’ve been out on their own, that might be a different issue. Likewise, if you let a friend stay, even for a night, and they refuse to leave, you just might have to go through the eviction process as well.
I say divide the bailout money with the taxpaying americans and we can all be in a better place
Right on Indy!
when my daughter moved out.. she was 24, i blocked in the uhaul.. she called me crazy.. i just loved them so much.. she lives less then a mile away. i wanted to buy the house next door for her she said no??? cant imagine why??? lol
I work with families who have adult children living with them who are literally holding them hostage. The families are quite beside themselves with grief over what to do and the “children” treat them like garbage. I know of a few of the parents that have moved out into another place and left the original home with the kid. How rediculous is that??
Casey is a cold blooded murderer. She preyed on her parents. She used Caylee to pay back her mother. She used friends to be what she wasn’t, what she wanted to be. It’s so sad an innocent 2 year old had to be the ultimate victim in her sorry, fake and fantasy life. She could have just walked away, left Caylee in her bed and be done with it. Caylee would never had missed her if she’d just done that one selfless act for her daughter, just walk away……..
casey used the parent with that child.. it is sad.. but now they can either share a cell or they will visit her .. and each day.. they have to live with the facts that will come out.. how awful
I believe that Casey would have went to hell and back to make her mother misrable when she saw that her mother was giving Caylee much more love and attention than she did get.
In the end this innocent child was like a leverage, a pawn for Casey to hold over her mother’s head to show her she has more power over Caylee than Cindy did, and the she used her untill she was satisfied, so she played her last card.
How evil and spiteful a person can get.
OMG drama queen..
In Indiana, if your child is over 18, you can put them out legally. If you buy your child a car, and it’s in your name, you don’t even have to let them take it. The cops can come and tell you to leave your parents property. My b/f has dealt with this on several occasions. As a mother, I cannot imagine doing that and especially if a Grandchild is involved, but here, it can be done.
its true, that casey used caylee – for her own purposes
and they say there is no motive….
no one said it better than casey.. I am a spitful bitch.. she said that.. so i guess her spite is going to finally show..
Tamie,
No kidding. One lady told me that if she and her husband knew then what they know today about raising kids they would have raised tomatos.
When George suspected that Casey wasnt really working and told Cindy, she told him drop it, you arent a detective anymore – I always wondered about that
why didnt cindy want to know?
Please keep in mind that I work with very disfunctional families.
Tamie, bless you for that.. ive rented this year after selling my home of 15 years. My landlord is so great, he waived rent this month since im a widowed single parent and its Christmas… I was terrified to rent but with land lords like you two, its not so bad..
PHEW thank you guys. I guess I better stop jumping the gun haha. Indy Deb and DQ your the best.
Indy Deb, on December 16th, 2008 at 9:32 pm Said:
I do have compassion for George and Cindy. I, in no way, can comprehend what they are going throught. But at the same time, the law is the law, and they have obviously done their part in making this investigation more of a nightmare than it already was. They broke the law in many ways. Should they not be held accountable for their actions? I think that not being held accountable is what led to all of the problems with Casey, isn’t it?
I cannot agree with you more Dee completely feel the same way.
artgal~I’ve known people with the personality type that if a problem doesn’t directly create a problem for you or affect you, then it’s easier to not acknowledge the problem at all.
all states have different laws.. but who would want to have the type of relationship with their child? if they are treating you crappy.. then counseling might be a good thing to start.. treat your children the way you want to be treated.. with respect. and love.. and you will get that in return. ???
I would love to know what Casey is doing at this time in jail now all of this new info has come to light.
Andie,
That is awesome of your landlord and from what little I know about you from the posts you write on this site…I am sure that the landlord did this for you because you are very special.
I think after Caylee was born Casey realized “WOW I have a free ride with Mom & Dad now ” I think there was an unwritten agreement between Cindy and Casey that the family would raise Caylee. Which worked out well for Casey as she did not have to try to figure out who the father was. Casey never really wanted Caylee but she used her, just as Cindy used her. Until Caylee got in the way of Caseys good times, I think Cindy expected Casey to come back soon like nothing had hapened and Casey had already gone to far … Caylee was dead. Casey was on a party spree and then the cover up started .
tui~I wish they would have had a picture of her reaction when the news broke that they found a body. A picture of that would have been sheer delight to most of us.
Yes Indy Deb, I agree but it WAS a problem for them
Casey had stolen a lot of money by using Cindys credit cards – I always felt that it was because Cindy was afraid to rock the boat – that Casey might take
Caylee and go shack up with some guy – Cindy though is also a very formidable woman, it would seem to me
that she would have had better control over Casey
*IN RESPONSE TO WONDERINGSG POST ABOUT THE ‘BABYSITTERS CLUB* <>
There was actually a movie that came out earlier this year called *The Babysitters* and it was about a high school girl that had an affair w. the father of the kids she babysat for & then got her friends in on it with his coworkers and friends and turned it into an escort service–I think that’s the idea she was going for. I’m not sure how much truth is in the statement or how likely they were to act on it, but remember there was information on the family computer about the escort service and if I’m not mistaken depending on when the searches were done, it could’ve been around the time that Gov. Eliot Spitzer stepped down after being caught with the prostitute who is around the same age as Casey 22-23.
No, no, NO immunity for the Anthony’s! They had many a chance to come clean and tell the truth. They should not be allowed to “bargain” re the truth now. This would set a terrible precedent for others to lie and make false statements to law enforcement.
If they are asking for immunity now, it is because they know they are busted.
as I tell my husband.. andie.. maybe i didnt get into the rental business to make money… maybe i got into it to help those who cannot afford a home.. he has come to the conclusion.. that the latter of the two is the reason we are landlords.. I am the type who see someone holding a sigh that says .. family who needs food.. and I go home and clean out my freezer..
I truly am P.O.’ed that they even gave her a sedative. That just really ticks me off! Tell her what they found and walk away….that’s what they should have done.
You all are amazing, and very kind-hearted. Chicken Soup for the Soul has nothing on the people here!
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Indy Deb, you’re so right. If the parents don’t have very high expectations, there’s little chance their children will disappoint them.
no they should have duck taped her mouth afterwards and then walked away
I think casey needed to get a real job and make a life for tht little girl and she didnt because stealing came easier.. so that is what she did..
Like IndyDeb said in the post above,
Regardless of past mistakes a person always has an opportunity to do the right thing.
Cindy and George have made a number of huge mistakes and wrong choices in this matter surrounding KC.
They will need to pay the consequence for those actions because the law is the law. The actions they have taken will only compound the grief from the losses they were going to face anyway. It is very sad because it did not have to be this way.
indie:I agree, hehehe, she did have an anxiety attack if I remember right…..well….the ice queen might just be melting y’all….lol.
casey is no longer on psycological watch.. i guess her 5 days of grieving was enough.. she needed to get back to her reading.. or maybe her pen pal letter to scott peterson
I am not able to watch NG on tv right now…the other night someone said you could veiw her episodes on youtube but I forget where it was or how they said to do it does anyone know? Please help am having major NG withdrawal!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
tammy:stealing AND selling her ASSets…oops…lol.
Thats cool of you , Tamie, and Thx DQ, back at ya.. Yea he knows im working on my masters, etc. so he figured I could use a break..Plus I do the flower beds..hee hee
Ok greta has the case on
tamie~Most of us go thru life and put people up on a pedestal, adore them and cherish them and think very highly of them. Unfortunately, Casey put herself on a pedestal and nobody else. So, in her mind, she wasn’t supposed to have to do ANYTHING! Not get a job, not take care of her own child. She just thought way way too much of herself.
drama queen this one is for you. and anxiety attack is shorness of breath.. because they said she had no tears.. just an anxiety attack.. can you tell us what that is?
Good night everyone!
Take care of yourselves.
I would love to know what Casey is doing
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I would like to know how the LE officers treat her , how the jailers respond to her . I can hardly stand to think of any one being in jail but I want them to throw away the key in her case.
She is right up there with Diane Downs … if you have ever seen that show about how cold she was it is a Casey all over again . Her kids just got in the way.
Wow, NG is in rare form tonight..Shes on the warpath!
Nieves said at this point they are concentrating on caylles remains, they will see evenutaly if there was obstruction
and that is the sad part.. she only thought of herself..
Nite, DQ
i knew frm beg tht casey was guilty.. i prayed thy wld find caylee..she said caylee was near by.. she was right..i hope thy dont try to twist story to make the make believe nanny b the one who put baby there..and start anothr goose chase..i pray all evidence leads to that trunk and casey..she needs to b punished and possible death frm this … this has carried on for tooo long.. it needs to end.. and no mercy for her crazy a@#…
greta is discussing the case now on fox
After I graduated from HS, my mom always told me, “As long as you are going to school or working, you can stay in this house.”
It took me 9 years to get my Bachelors of Science… kept changing my major because I didn’t know what I wanted to do. I stayed in the dorm 1 year, and I was the only one that could legally drink. Did I? No.
Did I party? Went to one halloween party, and left after 15 minutes.
shes got Dr Baden on now – hes another one
who I used to have respect for now gone
thnx artgal
tamie::am laughing so hard….hahahha, about the Scott Petersen comment….too funny.
Bye DQ….see you tomorrow???
Anxiety attack=Heart racing, shortness of breath, extremities going numb, light headedness, perspiration………..I’ve had these myself and never thought they were funny until now…..
Night, Drama Queen!
OMG I can’t believe the huge search in the dirt for what might be Caylee.
Indy Deb, I used to get them about 10 years ago, and I swore I was having heart attacks when they happened. I was only 20 at the time and totally healthy, and it finally dawned on me I had severe anxiety. Definitely not funny until now
She probably feels like a caged animal right now. There’s nowhere to run or hide.
Alright my few minutes is up for now, gotta take my niece home to her mama….
See y’all soon.
a little off subject but did anyone think it was hilarious like I did when that guy was on (he’s some kind of expert?) and he tells NG that the bones were “quite small” and she says what do you mean and he says with a smirk “really small”?
I’m watching the re-run and that was just on. How funny!!
See ya later, TUI!
Indy : a picture of her reaction
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I think she actually believed she could out wait the discovery of the body and that she would have her NO BODY or NO Conviction = not guilty verdict before the body was ever found. Can you imagine her getting out of jail and moving the body again ?
Or how about when she wanted to search herself do you think she thought she could direct the searches away from where she really dumped Caylee. Can you imagine the thoughts that went through her head ?
Indy Deb – I had anxiety attacks quite often…
impending hurricanes
not hearing from husband by dark when he’s out fishing
anytime I start feeling my chest getting tight or have pain in my arm, I end up having an anxiety attack because I am afraid of having a heart attack.
Paula, I’m still waiting for my kiddos to hit the hay so I can watch, but I have noticed that she tears into people for things like that. Did you see how she ripped Natisha a new one for “knowing more than the police” about what was in the bag? It was so mean.
my kids lived at home until the graduated from college, married , move out.. free of charge.. the only stipulation when they were employeed while living at home free was that they save half of thier paycheck.. and i could check to see that was being done.. they did so.. my huby and i have no kids at home for 2 years now.. but every sunday they all come back for sunday dinner.. with my 2 grandsons and my 1 granddog.. i guess i got lucky to have such good kids.. and grandkids and dog.. i thank the lord each day for it.. i dont take it for granted..
Paula~I did hear that but I’ve gotten more of a giggle out of how much my boyfriends ex looks like Dog the Bounty Hunter. He was on Greta a few minutes ago. LOL
So Casey’s attorney team said recenlty that they still think it’s Zeinaida Gonzalez?
my heart breaks for caylee. she never had a chance..
i love dog.. the bounty hunter.. he is great..
No, I missed that one where she ripped Natisha, I heard she did that. NG kills me how she rips her guests and then goes into that fake sweet voice about “let’s stop and remember”…..she kilss me! I wouldn’t come back if she treated me like that.
Journey,
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I guess there is not anyone else to blame it on .
Casey and the Anthony’s have that lie down pat !!!
alright folks..i am going to spend some time wth my hubby.. have a good night .. see you all tomorrow.. night
i just saw Dog too, my first thought is get an updated do!
HA HA HA I know, it’s such a trip, Paula! She’s got a great mood switch. It doesn’t bother me AS much when she does it with the laywers because they’re tough and used to it. But when she does it to Tim Milla, Padilla, her producer, or the other guests, it kind of makes me sick.
Night, Tamie! Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful stories with us tonight.
To the big house. Lol
Uh, I meant Tim MillER. Sheesh. I’m all about the diva talk tonight, apparently.
There is motive here and I do believe that LE and FBI know that. In my opinion, they are doing a fine job of being thorough in everything they are doing. Hell, the original jail tapes and Casey’s actions and lies tell it all, anyone can see that. Her mother was a thorn in her side, trying to make her be the mother she wasn’t or didn’t want to be. And little Caylee payed the ultimate price, plain and simple. But, it didn’t have to be that way. Casey is a selfish and jeolous bitch. I hope she is pacing in her cell and talking to the walls and never sleeps another night without hearing her baby’s voice.
ok, I’m signing off for tonight. Thanks for the good posting tonight. Be safe especially if you are in one of the blizzard hit states.
Goodnite Paula and anyone else going to bed~We got ice here in my part of Indiana today. I’m becoming agoragphobic. I’d rather just stay home.
LE was very lucky it was peter the meter reader
instead of pam. i don’t know any women who would
squat around a palmetto, much less kick a garbage
bag to see whats inside. my guess is he kicked it
like a field goal , then charted in his pants when a
skull rolled out !
Sorry I have not caught up yet – but this is my response to the idea of immunity for CA and GA. What does “no more conflicting stories” mean? That they have now gotten their lying stories together? Whoop-de-doo! I do hope they will finally cooperate. But I can’t see how they can be for real if they are going to repeat the Zenaida Gonzalez crapola. Butt-covering is what it looks like.
(ok, 1st, I solved the problem of the NG voice screeming in my ears, its called “subtitles” woohoo
I get to read her comments and its alot less annoying.)
Set your televisions to subtitles…Luv it!
Night Paula
Yesterday it was -19* here. Today we had a heatwave and it was 19* ABOVE 0. Ugh.
Couldn’t agree more, Kat.
LOL Curious Dee, great idea!
Nancy is a bit psycho tonight. “The child’s flesh is still on the duct tape, and they are not seeking the death penalty???” She just about spit at Drew Petrimo, “WHAT reports say that? what reports?” and when he says, “Various leaks from the investigation from our sources,” she looks like she is going to throw up on him. Man she’s over the top Jekyll & Hyde tonight. Look out Netitia! She got chewed out last night. Yow.
Oh goodness, Nancy is crying because Casey might not get the death penalty. She is so OVER-THE-TOP, but I love her.
And may I also add – I am sick to death of Leonard Padilla. I have cheered him on at times, but at this point, his whole, “JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU” attitude about everything, and his detailed theories that he pulls out of his arse and which he spouts as if they are FACTS that he is privy to over and above the actual investigators. Bleah. I’m sorry but I am ready for him to SHADDAP already. His day in the limelight is OVAH.
I hate it when she does that, Kat. I wonder how her interns and Natisha can stick around. Nancy is probably a very kind person in real life, but on her show she is definitely over the top.
I think the more morbid they make this case, the less likely a jury will buy it. We’re all been looking at this for 5 months and I don’t think the jury will sit out that long to figure it all out.
Good point, Dee. Do you (or anyone else) know if Casey has to be present during the trial?
(and if she does, somebody needs to put up signs to JUST SAY NO to the Kool-Aid stand)
Do you ever notice that Natisha always has a patient but amused look on her face, like she cant wait to see what NG will say? I bet shes telling herself “someday ill have my own show, someday ill have my own show”
Riddler, LOL, i said i bet his number one turned into a number two..quickly
I know I would watch it! Natisha has world record patience for putting up with that without either crying, stomping off the set, or telling Nancy off. She must have a great sense of humor.
Funny, Kat, you said the exact same thing before I did without even looking at your message. I just saw the ratings though and Nancy is the no 1 rated CNN show, more than Larry King or Anderson Cooper, so whatever she is doing, she’s doing something right. When Nancy did her specials on KC, I was telling people and they were saying “How can that be a special? She does her EVERY NIGHT.” i thought that was funny, but she’s getting the ratings so there must be a lot of us who want to see it every night.
LOL..good one Brig..
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andie: it looks like they all expect to get a beating. But I’ve noticed she never interrupts LP…she use to.
Brigit — yes, KC would have to be at her trial
Personally, I look forward to Fridays when Nancy is usually off and someone else is covering for her. The guests actually get to answer the questions asked of them. I get so excited when we get FULL answers.
Thank you, Blackcat. I keep thinking that she’ll have to see crime scene photos, autopsy photos, and hear meticulously detailed descriptions of well, everything, if she has to be present. It’s going to be interesting watching her reactions.
I loved Mike Brooks when he filled in. He was a little shaky at first, but he got his sea legs quick and had everyone eating out of his hand. He is made of awesome in my book.
Bottom line here (in my opinion) is that we have the remains of little Caylee in this underbrush/swamp area near her parents home(and where Casey & Caylee lived). Why there in that spot particularly???
I believe that Casey, indeed, wanted LE to find the remains much sooner (close to home) so that it would look like a kidnapping. Just my own theory.
Casey is cold-blooded. She knew she had a chance to blame it on the “nanny” and she did everything she could to make it look like the “nanny” did it.
Here is a better web address for the petition to sign for Caylee’s Law. It costs nothing. They had 189 signatures when I went there and they are trying to get 10,000. thepetitionsite.com/petition/895263692/taf thanks for signing!
it’s good practice for Natitia & Drew, it will make them better journalists. NG keeps them on their toes.
i’m a bit tired of Leonard Padilla too- but mostly because he is always WRONG. He said he would find Caylee in a week when he got her out- didn’t happen- then he said EQUUSEARCH would for certain find Caylee in a few days after they started- they didn’t- only last week he said for sure that Caylee was put in the RIVER- she WASN’T. He makes these statements like they are a fact when he’s wrong time after time but that part is never brought up.
shelley am in nc 2 Rockingham
I keep thinking about it and if she were going to go for the kidnapping theory, she would have reported her missing or kidnapped. I can’t make that set well with myself knowing that there was the 31 day gap, and all the lies. If she planned on that, she would have worked it into her plan to call immediately. No, I just am not going with that interpretation easily.
mom birthday is today
Ok, hello again….Well I admit I like watching NG, at times she gets on my nerves and have to change the channel because she seems to be so rude to the commentators…..I wonder why none of them just can’t tell her she can’t be talking to them in that manner?
I feel so mad at her at times when she seems so righteous and rude, but in all, I like the way she stands for victims of crimes, especially children.
oh geeze, more distractions…..darn it….
It doesn’t make sense though that Casey wanted to them to find it because she could have still gone on those SEARCHES if she had wanted to the week she was off and could have still “stumbled” on the bottom- but she didn’t. that tells me she didn’t want them to find her AS IS- she wanted to get there first and probably take something out of the bag and do something to the bag and then call the police and say Caylee was found. But it doesn’t make sens she wanted the body found because she could have easily have led them to it the week she was off if she wanted to- she could have pretended to go on some huge 24/7 search and led them to her so something does not add up there.
Happy BDay geniema’s MOM
I think had they found Caylee immediately, she could have gone with that but they didn’t so from there Casey was just going by the seat of her pants, making it all up as she went along. The kidnapping just couldn’t have been in the plan at the beginning in my opinion.
Happy Birthday to mom and tim miller
Nick~Maybe she wanted to get there to pull the tape off. She couldn’t call it an accident with tape there.
Well I remember after the Michael Jackson trial, Jane Valez-Mitchell DID talk back to Nancy and told her she didn’t know what she was talking about and pretty ugly about it- I thought to myself Nancy would not have her back after that because she was being ugly right back to her- but that didn’t happen and Jane is still on and subs for her- I don’t think Nancy would mind if they talked back to her because to her, it would probably make for more compelling television- she probably would like them to, actually. But Nanacy is such a bulldog, I can’ t imagine having to LIVE with her.
Thats true Indy Deb..
it seems she wouldn’t have cried wolf sooner, but then again had she done that, it would have been easier to find the body. I think she wanted her to be found in skeletal remains (with the duct tape) in place. I don’t agree with LP often, but he might be right. I assume they will be able to tell if the duct tape was place post mortem or when she was alive. Has anyone heard anything about that?
Ok-let me rethink this and rephrase. Initially, I believe that had Casey had the opportunity or taken the opportunity to leave, she would have and the car would have been found with decomp and no trace of her or Caylee. Kidnapping would have come into play. That plan failed because Casey didn’t or couldn’t leave. Then she got caught by Cindy before she thought she would and just started pulling stories out of her A$$.
Ok i just watched NG for the 2nd time tonight and must have missed her say ealier that Lee had to be given a court order to give his finger prints the other day ! Cindy and Geroge gave it with no problem but Lee wouldnt. LE subponed him !
CD, that we be awesome if they could tell that.
I like her too, TUI, and I get squeamish watching her rip into people. She does do great things for the innocent and for victims, which I can’t ignore either. I had a boss like her a few years ago and he was either really really awesome or really really hideous. Kind of like a box of chocolates.
Now that is a very intriguing thought, Nick, when you say that Casey wanted to stumble on it and report it herself. With all the rains coming and the chain link fence, that would have hindered her “efforts.”
I still think she had hoped to keep the body nearby so she could keep an eye on it, and hoped that she could keep up the ruse until she was exonerated. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had planned to move the body later on, when the heat died down.
Well, anutha day slides off the old calendar. And y’know what?
The Anthony’s are STILL NUTZ.
G’nite.
Indy deb, I just don’t believe that Casey is capable of planning ahead. She does whatever it takes to get by in the moment. That is she why can steal & lie so easily. She is not afraid of consequenses
j, I agree w/ you 99% – very articulate – (Zenga too) all of you offer great posts –
Yes, LP has worn out his welcome!
How about the scathing emails sent to Cindy from her own brother – those must be coming back to haunt her now – I believe, as J., they have been hit w/ an emotional grenade -
vanilla~I agree. I think she initially tried to work with a plan but it failed due to her selfishness and concern of what all she was able to do without a child. She can’t plan. She could have had she acted “accordingly” as the parent of a kidnapped child. She was just so consumed with her freedom, she forgot to finish the plan and it caught up with her.
Wow – I had completely forgotten that Bozo had tried to get an order for Casey to do her own search without the media and cops (which was turned down or she went back to jail – can’t remember which). This makes perfect sense now!! She definitely wanted some alone time so she could move the body somewhere else. Did she really think she could pull this off without the feds watching her every move? She is truly delusional!!
ITA (and I don’t always) with NG when she said the immunity deal is “too little too late”. I do understand that will all the stress, small inconsistensies can happen, but Cindy in particular has made some major f. ups. NOW that the body has been found, they are crying “immunity”. GMAB!!!! So they will be interviewed again and this time, there will be no inconsistensies? Really? Sounds like a crock of shit and a total lie. I highly doubt any judge will grant it.
Also, I get that this is their daughter and therefore, they want want want to believe her – but please, these are educated people. George is an ex cop and Cindy is a nurse – there is just ominous and obvious evidence that will prove Casey killed her child – not sure if it was an accident or not –
These parents need to step out of delusional land and realize they have a daughter that will probably get the needle. I feel for them and then I don’t – it’s all very confusing!!
Prayers tonight for John Walsh and family. God bless.
This came from SM’s myspace page.
Sep 27 2008 8:33 AM
at least you’re not being accused of being her drug dealer!!!!
hang in there…we know that we did nothing
yes and to normal people we are all left pouring our hearts out for this poor child. Casey just shrugs and carries on. The pics of her in the ‘82′ shirt walking into court almost giddy. errrhhhh
Oh, it was by A.N.N.I.E.
Dee — I heard last night that it would be just about impossible to tell if the tape was put on post-mortem
I wish I could add more to the discussion tonight, but I’m at a lost. I did watch American Psycho last night for the first time. Beware, its gory. But if you can get to the end, it kinda makes a connection to what is going on now. It’s hard to believe anyone would say this was their favorite movie, but since its the Casey we know now, it fits her personality. IMO
I think in Victoria’s page in her pics, there is a pic of her and Lee. There’s lots of Sean Daly.
never seen that movie? can you sum it up? or maybe should I search for the plot?
Casey has turned all of their lives upside down.
I am talking every freind, acquaintance, myspace friend, etc…she has used everyone in her web of lies.
Just wanted to say goodnight, but I wanted to say that I mentioned the immunity thing to my hubby last night, and he said, “The whole family should be executed!” He has maintained from the beginning (and he only sees the nightly news) that Casey killed Caylee and the family is covering it up.
He has not go in search of various reports. This is solely based on the 31 days without reporting the child missing, and this was before it was known that the baby sitter didn’t exist. This was strictly on the 31 days.
And now for the weather report for the Greater Orlando Area:
OCSO CSI & FBI members still searching the crime scene will enjoy low temperatures of 61 degrees and a high of 79, with 40 % cloud cover and 60% humidity. Current Temperature: 63 degrees.
Seriously, who could watch a movie like “American Psycho” with your daughter missing IF you were innocent?
To all of Casey’s (ex)friends, we feel for you in your plights…
this case is a godsend for NG . according to tvnewser,
her hightest ratings in the history of her show. higher
than keith o. and bill o.
Night, FLMom, sleep tight! Sounds like you picked a keeper
The only thing I can think of in determining if the tape was post mortem or ante mortem is if Caylee vomited in the process and the evidence is still somehow on the tape. Duct tape is very resilient but I think within vomit, there are stomach acids that may be evidenced on the tape. If she vomited, she was alive.
Yeah, well, he’s within the ’slot limit’. He gives me a hard time about being on the website… so I started shrinking the window down.
Last time, I told him I don’t bug you about YOUR sites! (which are probably 95% porn) which is why his computer is in HIS office, and MINE is in the family room/living room/corner office.
Slot limit is a reference to the size of the fish you can keep…
Indy Deb, very good point!!! I have often wondered if this poor child was stuck in the bag, bound and tied (maybe she was also restrained and they have not released it yet) and alive and suffocated between the duct tape and the chloraform.
But I also wonder if right after death, doesn’t the body still have some functions like defocating and vomiting? Sorry – this is really making me ill!!
FLMomOf2~I can so agree. I’m sure that the majority of online surfing my guy does involves upper frontals! I’m so glad that we have our own computers!!!
Casey could have just left Caylee with her grandparents, walked away and lived her own sordid life. I don’t think she ever had a plan to move Caylee’s body, she thought it would go away, in her own twisted mind. Out of sight, out of mind.
Yep, there is a reason hubs and I have separate laptops, too. I don’t bug him about his stuff and he doesn’t bug me about mine
LOL
Evening Friends !!
I totally missed NG grrrrrrr ;0(
Did I miss anything good other than the judge telling Bozo to suck on it ?
it comes on like every other hour so you can still see it, and yes – it was pretty informative tonight.
Welcome, Reecie
I am just firing up my DVR to watch now. The big thing in the beginning is that Bozo bitched that LE is taking TOO LONG to sift through the evidence at the crime scene. Disgusting!
I being a little lazy next one is in two hours. In that case I’ll DVR it.
LOL no worries, Reecie.
I feel Casey needs to fry, bullett betwen the eyes. But, it doesn’t happen that quickly. And, that’s not the way of our society. This chick is guilty and has felt no remorse, what so ever. It’s only about her, all the tears, for her only, not Caylee. Her family knows this as well. “I’m still here” she claims in one jailhouse tape. It’s just sickening.
He’s a tool and has no business near that site until they have determined it’s Caylee and CSI has cleared the scene. He’d be complaining if they didn’t take long enough too.
So true. Somebody on the NG show said it’s nearly an acre that they have to sift through, and there are a few hundred bones to find, some of them a quarter of an inch. Animals have buried them, they’ve been moved by the water…it’s basically an archaeological dig.
They just need to put her in GP and let them give her the Dahmer treatment
I think it’s very telling they haven’t been going to visit her as much.
Thanks all !
justanotherblogger…about the website not being accessed since middle of Oct. That is evidence that Cindy, George and Lee Knew Caylee was never to be found.. Can be used against C and G if you ask me. I have noticed the website has not been visited. I would be checking the site every five minutes if I had a missing loved one.
You have very ugly children Nancy Grace, you would think being white and blonde that you would have beautiful babies, but you don’t. Ewww
I agree with IndyDeb that Casey did have a plan for a fake kidnapping, no bodies, Casey and Caylee missing. I don’t think she expected the car to be towed from Amscot when it was.There were myspace and facebook messages that showed she was thinking to go to Canada or California. Cindy showed up before she finished and called LE.
In George’s days as a homicide investigator (10yrs in the 1970s) there was no internet and no bloggers to keep this story in the media. This case wouldhave become a cold case back then, and Casey would have been walking around free. I think Cindy and George were aware of what happened before July 3 (my Caylee is missing). George may have given advice to Casey and Cindy helped by taking care of some of the evidence, but the family never expected the media to take off with the story. THe plan to confuse and lie to cover up would have worked in the ’70s but not today.
Hi all! I was just thinking about why Lee would refuse to give DNA/prints..When Lee went to the jail to visit Casie said I feel in my gut she is close to hme.. what if?? She was in a code kind of way telling him where the body was and for “him” to move them, cause the searchers were getting close. He is probably scared sh-tless cause his prints might show up…Anyone agree?
some reports say just a few bones are missing others make it sound (ick) like I don’t even want to say it.
oops home
Rate my Baby: That is cruel. They are babies, and are completely innocent. Pick on somebody your own size.
The guy on NG last night said it would be impossible to know if the tape was put on before or after death.
Adding to the theory that Casey thought the body would be found sooner. There was all that timer55, 55 days from june until Caylee’s birthday on Aug 9th. I remember Casey saying the week prior to Aug 9th that Caylee would be home by her birthday. Could have been part of her kidnap/nanny plan. Could have been part of her “script” she had mentioned. She had said “she knew who had her” and that she was o.k.. Then when she didn’t “come home” on her birthday, she immediately said “she’s in danger”, laying the blame for any foul play with the nanny/kidnappers. She probably thought after 55 days, decomp would have taken place. I’m surprised she didn’t do any searches on that.
Anybody have an answer to my comments above?
An acre of searching, a couple hundred bones, removing trees, days of work…..
Trees don’t grow to where they have to be removed to examine a site from last June. I am thinking there is a whole lot more going on here than just Caylee, and it goes back further than last June.
Did rate my baby just say that ? No haters !!!! Rise up fellow NG minions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent point, Molly. She probably thought she would be dealing with an intact body forever, and had no clue what she was in for.
hi all just popping by to read up just got home from a long day but I was listening to sirus radio and Dr. phil said two funny things or I should say strange. Those who dislike NG its because they don’t like confrontation and also he said Lee’s behavior all along and mostly when removing the memorial is disturbing in that he points the finger at himself by not cooperating. He said he thinks its because he thinks he is above all of this and why would they ask him “how dare they” but he thinks he knew all along she was lieing
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Rate My Baby
Joe D is going to send you the NG jammies to wear for your pennance. Oh yeah, you also have to say many times “I LOVEEEEEE NG”.. Just ask Joe D……
I wish I was a friend of the Psychologist who is in charge of Casey. I….as a psychotherapist….would never let her get away everyday without confrontation….that is how you make breakthroughs…..is this counselor/psychologist/jail helper in any way helping to solve this crime or help with his client’s state of mind????
Don’t know Robin. I totally think they were talking code. Who knows maybe he helped her w/o realizing it and now is like os !
Sandra,
Lee does have that superior attitude. He acted like the detective even to LE, tried to manipulate the situation when Rob and LP were there by lying and interfering…..
sandra — I have to agree with Dr. P as far as Lee…it sure doesn’t take much “smarts” to figure out that by not cooperating you put yourself under suspicion — and I definitely believe he knew they were all lying.
Sorry Robin, I missed that!
I think that when people aren’t forthcoming with information they have something to hide. They’ve had to subpoena EVERYTHING from him. If it were me in the same boat, I would give prints, a polygraph, and any other evidence to the police so they could clear me and focus on finding the killer.
dosen’t his job lend itself to acting stuck up ?
Re: Rate My Baby – don’t feed the troll?
Re: kidnapping plan – I do think Casey had a great big crazy plan, which all went to hell when Cindy forced her hand on the night of 7/15 at Tony’s. The computer searches would seem to back this theory up. Like some others, I think she left her stuff in the car at Amscot to make it look like a carjacking or kidnap deal.
I keep going back to the posts CA and Casey made on their MySpace pages (later deleted) – Casey’s “Diary of Days.” Apparently she was kind of anal about marking off days, counting days, and keeping a calendar. I wouldn’t be surprised if she kept some kind of diary or journal where she laid he plan out, even if in some kind of code.
And that “Diary of Days” tells the backstory, I believe.
Lexi — I don’t understand why KC sees a psychiatrist everyday; I thought inmates were given standardized testing and a psycho/social history taken, and that’s it. Do you think they at least did the testing?
Malibu I just have never understood his behavior even way back when he confronted the people out front his parents home. But taking away the memorial says alot. Like I can’t have this here to look at . He had no feelings for caylee and her memory. Even if it was his sister when he hear it was likly Caylee something should have said look what all these people are doing for Caylee. Instead he pulled it up like trash.
They did….but don’t forget she is on “psychological watch” or whatever they call the next step up from being on suicide watch.
Kat — this makes perfect sense. I always thought it was weird that she knew immediately that it had been 31 days she hadn’t seen the baby.
Do you all remember Casey bragging (I think to Lee) that the psychologist said she was clear? I guess that eliminates an insanity plea
I don’t think Casey should be able to have anything do to with the furneral for that little girl . She lost all that when she kill her only child. And I think that the grandparents did know more then they are saying. So they are just as guilty as she is……….
Brigit your so right. Lee was no help at all. He hurt his own credibility with his actions , people will remember that . He hurt his own future. I wouldnt hire someone who was so dishonest
Sandra, I don’t see ANY of them being gainfully employed again. Nobody would want to hire them after this!
Brigit — don’t forget, GA has a job with Kidfinders just waiting for him!
HA HA HA
blackcat,
I always thought that Casey got the 31 days from CIndy. As in, that night Cindy was yelling at Casey that she hadn’t seen Caylee for 31 days. I think that Casey just repeated this so the 911 dispatch officer. Just a thought?
The fact that guilty Bi_ch planned al of this and then stagged a kidnapping shows you how sycopathic she really is. I still believe she intended to have her car stolen and then she was going to disappear and have evryone think she and Caylee where kidnapped and then months latter she would turn up ith some story and say she got away but they killed Caylee
**to the 911 operator
Bridit you know thats right. Casey ruined all there lives
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think it is a very good possibility that Lee is Caylee’s father – as sick as that is!!
I believe the car could have ran out of gas. I am sure they know how much gas was in the tank. George apparently brought gas with him to towyard right? so if the tank only had a gallon or two in it, she ran out.
She ruined lives, she took a very precious one, and she is costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. She’s breaking hearts all over the country right now and all she cares about CASEY.
for that alone she belongs in jail
Sandra, I think you are spot on!!!!! I have always wondered what would have happened if Cindy had not stepped in on July 15th and showed up at Tony’s. Your theory makes perfect sense!!
for the money she is wasting taxpayers, I mean.
Well, if her plan was to have the car stolen & disappear then why did she call Tony to pick her up? That blows that plan becasue she brought Tony into it.
I hope they go after her for the money, if anything, just to prove a point. The FBI made the Runaway Bride pay back the search costs.
Nancy Grace you have 2 gorgeous babies don’t listen to what CA says! She is a troll
Molly, and she was trying to get help from Amy to bring gas to the car
he just made himself look like a jack@ss
I think she was just taking it one day at a time. She had already dumped the body and left the car. I don’t see her as having a lot of forethought – just playing it day by day.
who feels the same way ?
Vanilla the problem with that is her gage was broke so we will not know how much gas was in there but she said that two guys helped her push the car in to amscot parking lot and no guys came forward and I was in that parking lot and its parking spot where she parked was on the other side of the entrance or exit no one pushed her car over ther and next to the dumpster.
yes day by day. Casey first and everyone else last
Has it been confirmed that the gas guage was broken?
doesn’t amtter if gauge was broken LE can still look at tank to see how much gas is/was in the tank. They can macth that with that fact if George bright gas to towyard in one of those red 4 gallon? gerry cans.
Kathie, LE has stripped the car completely, and I would imagine that if that was part of any testimony or statements they would verify it. But I don’t know for sure.
yes george said it was broken for a year
oops bad typing. Casey ran out of gas the friday before as well….
Brigit , I agree with you . But I think each family member sould pay for Caylee. Because she didn’t ask to be in that family.
I hope that car was at least paid off I don’t think they’ll be getting it back… not that anyone would want it. I wonder if insurance covers crazy ho’s stashing dead bodies in a trunk ?
He brought the gas but never put it in remember he went to the car to see if it would start and he smelled the smell and was so shook up he just drove as fast as he could. Also Cindy had left with the gas in her car read the statment from his first interview
ooh ok, now we are getting somewhere. Then Casey would have made sure there WAS gas in the car.
Debbie, my worry is that if immunity is given to the Anthonys they will not be held accountable for anything. I’m not in any way implying they hurt Caylee, but their so-called “inconsistencies” have done very little to help. If giving them immunity means they will spill EVERYTHING, unadulterated, and freely, then give it to them. The most important thing is that the truth is known But if all they do is explain away all the “crazy things” they said in the beginning, then I think they should pay.
her attorney has asked the state to pay for her defense bills , since she has declared her self indigent they will eventually pay a portion just like california did for scott peterson
Sandra
Even though he lied and interferred with the investigation, LP said that Lee took it really hard when he heard about the decomp in the trunk results. Casey laughed.
No they want to talk the truth bs they don’t know how to
I think that this is a very important fact>>>>
how much gas WAS/IS in the car!
Because she did tell friends she had run out?
Are you effing kidding me, Sandra? OMG. Disgusting!!! Indigent is certainly NOT the type of lifestyle Casey was living. Indigent people would love to enjoy the same types of things Casey had.
I agree with you, Vanilla. Why would she call for help if she had gas in the car?
malibu I know I think thats when he disappeared also if you look at the last taped jail conversation when she was talking about her gut feeling he looked like he tought : you all so guilty he said um hum 100 times
Totally, Sandra. Even Cindy was looking at her like she was full of it.
immunity ,,, WHAT ? No way ! Forget they give them immunity so they won’t lie on the witness stand so we don’t know if they are lying anyway. Forget that.
yet tony said when he said he would get her gas she said no my dads coming to get it. She had to get rid of the car because it smelled.
You know they all put up a front of ok lets pretend she didn’t do it and maybe we can throw everyone off with our sightings
Where do I start? I don’t think they will get immunity. Maybe I am wrong, and the feds would rather give them immunity without them going to jail and have the real facts. But the bitch of this is that I am not sure that Cindy (even with immunity) will “tell it like it is”. I don’t trust her, and the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. George, OTOH, I think WILL comply as I feel he has been up front from the get-go.
As far as the gas situation, I trust that the feds already have that theory down and know exactly how much gas was in the car at the Amscot, the towing yard and back at the Anthony’s, in fact…I think it w/be a major factor at trial.
As far as Lee, I think he might be the dad – I have stated my reasons on this site before (yesterday) but I think that anyone in their right mind would take the docomposing body hard. Well, anyone except the killer that is.
I don’t get why the tow lot didn’t call the cops if it really smelled that bad.
LP said KC laughed when the decomp was found in the trunk? Did I MISS that? Wow!
Casey was not expecting the car to be towed when it was. She had Amy buy a gas can, and did not get back to the car to put the gas in. When the car was towed, her staged kidnapping scene was taken away. I think she was staying around to eliminate her parents before she took off and became missing.
I think that Casey had a plan to eliminate her parents and Caylee at the same time, but the Big Fight caused her to act impulsively and kill Caylee earlier than she planned.
wow – and just how was she going to eliminate them? With chloraform or breaking their necks?
Reecie, I don’t think they’ll do it. It’s a hypothetical scenario that won’t happen. George and Cindy won’t talk anyway, and if they do, it’ll only be to explain away the BS they spewed in the beginning. I don’t see LE giving them much at all, if anything.
I agree Kathie. I don’t know if Cindy is in a state of mind to know what the truth is at this point.
I’m not going to be shocked if it turns up that Lee is the baby daddy.
Malibu, I keep wondering that as well. Especially when you consider the fact that she told Amy she was going to inherit the home.
blackcat.
Rob posted that on his site a while back. He also said that they thought Lee was the daddy because he took the decomp results soooooo hard.
I think Lee is in mourning—- either the denial or anger state and that is why he removed the memorials in the way he did. Also, his parents probably commanded him to go there and do it. He has been in hiding for so long, and now he had to face the media. Not his cup of tea………
Could the feds offer the A’s immunity only IF they took polygraph tests and passed? THAT would satisfy me!
I hope they don’t do it Brigit !
They didn’t give Le anything why should LE return the favor !
Malibu, were you in the thread last night where we discussed somebody on the NG show saying Lee took the memorials away because he thought the FBI had put bugs in it?
Sandra – I think some support for that theory is that she was looking into going away to different places. Right before she got busted she was talking to Mark Hawkins about going out to California, for example.
Also, I didn’t get this until I went thru the latest round of discovery docs (FINALLY). In some of the first evidence released, we had txt msgs where Tony was in NYC and “joking” with Casey about staying there, not coming back to FL, moving to NY, etc. He said he was teasing but she took it seriously. Well looking at the full range of text messages, she was going on with that doorknob375 about how her BF might be moving back to NY after he finished school at full sail (TONY L) and now I see she was really BENT about that idea of him leaving her.
All that is to say that maybe her fear of losing him may have been part of what drove her to get rid of Caylee — to get on with her “beautiful life” where she could follow Tony where ever, whenever.
Medicated Cindy could throw off a poly
I wrote this on yesterdays thread and wanted to share it with all of you tonight:
Something that I keep thinking about is what Caylee went through in her final times. I keep watching Nancy and Greta- Geraldo, and Jane V. Mitchell, I just keep thinking about how scared she must have been. I am annoyed with how Leonard is “fixed” on this all being an accident, and defenitly think that it was all a deliberate plan on Caseys part to have her life back again with her family and her friends. It sickens me that she wouldn’t have just given this child over to her parents whom obviously spoiled their very own children, and were suffering a severe case of empty nest syndrom when Caylee suddenly came into their lives. Do I think that Caylees father is dead??? No, I don’t. I believe that there is somewhat of a conspiracy surrounding its details. Do I think that Caseys sociopathic tendancies will haunt her for the rest of her life..?? Yes. Often times, I listen to her jail visits and want to throw my dinner at the tv, wishing I could just have one minute with her…that would be it…. I think of that everytime I have to hear Caylee sing that song. Do I think its right that they removed memorials for Caylee??? Yes, for now, I agree. When the identification is positive, then that would be the appropriate time for memorials. Do I think that The Anthony’s played a part in the disappearance??? No, however I feel they all may have had their fair share of covering it up, for Casey, whom they want to believe so badly, its pityful. The only way that I would wonder in any question about this case is if Casey were schitzophrenic and had 2 personalities….. One being Zanny. No one has discussed this, and it makes sense to me, if the motives were anything but the obvious. It would then make sense as to why she is so insistent upon her story, Why she is Unemployed- yet still has a “Nanny” , How she doesn’t remember clearly the last time she saw Caylee, recieving a call from her ( that there is no records of) during the dissapearance, The Guilt-free lifestyle that she has conducted for the last 6 months… could it be that she perhaps truly has no recollection of these instances- and really feel there are people out to get her…. when really, IT IS HER??? Or how about Truth Serum??? Or hypnotism??? Sure, it may be admissable in court, but, wouldnt the parents or her bigtime, probono, defense team like to know the pure truth before trying to put this little girl to justice??? Fact of the matter is, in a couple of days we are all going to have the answers to at least what happened to Her before she was put in that bag. And its going to outrage people all over the country following the details. In Virginia in a forensics lab they are gathering these tiny pieces of this child and I believe Caylee will watch from heavon to bring her story to the proper justice she deserved on earth, and it will set her free. When this body is identified, I would suggest that people from all over send cards and gifts to the Anthony home over the Christmas Holiday. I feel soory for them, no matter what, they have lost 2 members of their family in 6 months, and still have to wake up everyday and deal with it- her bedroom is right there, its all over the tv, all over the yard, and cant see their daughter to boot because of fear of making things worse for themselves. Pray for them and that this body is ID’D soon, The parents need to process some closure. Up untill Thursday Morning, they were still following tips.
Cindy is lookin like a basketcase lately
Kat, you know the grandparents would have been crushed if Caylee moved away. My parents only live 2 hours from me, and I know they would be so sad if we moved further away.
Re: Lee removing memorials – I’ll repeat what I said last nite (tho that thing about the stuff being bugged is an interesting thought…) – I think Lee is on edge and feeling insulted that they are holding their breath for the FINAL word on the remains, and already people are jumping the gun and being all funerial. For whatever reasons, they are not going to really take in that Caylee is dead until they get that formal notification. I cannot begrudge them holding whatever tiny sliver of crazy hope they have. Personally I think that’s all there is to Lee removing the memorials.
Not only was she going to inherit the home, but GA died in high school (story told at school), GA had a stroke… Mom was moving into a condo…. Parents were getting a divorce…. All of these stories go to show that her parents were not going to be a part of her life as she knew it at that time. THings were going to change and she was getting the house…..
Chloroform was one way of eliminating them. Another would be by having something happen to them. WIll Williams knew heating and air, she could have talked to him about carbon monoxide poisoning…… Her computer searches would help explain what she planned. to do…
Ya because the feds are going to put a bug 300 ft outside the home. It’s a teddy bear not a miracle ear jeez … I think he did it out of anger and grief. Until they are 100% positive it’s Caylee he does not want any reminders
and it sickens me to think that The State of Florida will foot the bill for this darling little angel and her psycho mother.
The needle isn’t a tough enough sentance for her!!! She needs to be rubbed out the same way her daughter died – not sure yet how she did it, but it sure as hell wasn’t pretty.
And I am sick of hearing people (even NG) say they feel for the grandparents. They have had six frickin months to come to terms with this – I will give some credit to George and I honestly do feel for him. I think (actually I know) he has absolutely no say in that home. His wife runs the show and he is at her beck and call. If she had disciplined her daughter way back in the day, this may have never happened. That being said, I do not feel sorry for Cindy one iota. I am sorry if that pisses some of you all off, and I am a grandmother myself of a darling, precious 2-1/2 yr old boy and let me tell you, if something like this happened (God Forbid) and there was the evidence against my son like there is the evidence against Casey, I would have to finally get out of my delusions and see it for what it is, as sad as it is. But damnit, Cindy is the one that I blame for allowing her daughter to get away with murder!!
Back to the 31 days. How crazy is is that both KC and CA stated 31 days right away, yet for 2 weeks they swore she went missing on the 9th and only admitte dit was the 16th when LE produced the video of Caylee from father’s day?
That’s not just a honest mistake. I don’t know why, but there is some reason they wanted to move things back a week.
Malibu — wow, that is sickening to think KC laughed at that!
As much as I am suspicious of Lee’s lack of cooperation, I have to admit I didn’t much blame him about the memorials (I’m sure this is an unpopular view). I can’t imagine having had the kind of media scrutiny they’ve had, and under the stress of a sister in jail on Murder One, the parents’ house searched and the baby’s body found, I might have done the same as Lee. The public sympathy is one thing, but they’ve been bashed by the public so much (for good reason I suppose) that getting flowers after the fact probably just felt intrusive.
They said on Greta in the beginning when she let them do the tour of their home that when Cindy was waiting for police to show up after the first 911 call that she found Lee talking with Casey with the door closed in their room, and Casey was explaining to her brother what “really happened” and that is when the 2nd and 3rd calls from her came in over 911 – and she was “frantic” has anyone else seen that Greta??? And if so, what did she hear Casey tell Lee that made her go soooo postal, other than her grandaughter “had” in fact been taken??
malibu – DING DING DING! Waaay back at the very beginning, we bounced that around. That theory still holds some interest for me. Casey seemed to reveal a plan to be living in the Anthony home alone. She spun it out to different people different ways about how it was going to happen, but she seemed to even have a date for the big move. i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that she planned to wipe them ALL out to make that happen. Kind of a Menendez brothers type thing. But then something impulsive happened after that fight, as you said.
Brian – add to that the fact that Casey initially tried to set up the car-stink for JUNE 5, which was Cindy’s birthday. I can’t remember where that comes from – I think it was Lee or somebody close telling LE that Casey had first mentioned the car stink around June 5 or gave that date for when it first began.
That is a very interesting approach. Hearing LP talk about Caylee singing about “Taking Nanny away” in that song did make me think into that for a lil while. It made me think of her wanting to get rid of them all.
casey did not have a split personality because EVERY single day she was casey and text people as casey… a split personality person one have days even weeks without contact with the same people. They would have totally different friends and also a different name they go by usually they even change their looks, age and sometimes even sex
I think the whole family should be dropped off in baghdad with pork sandwiches in their hands.
Welcome, Evelyn! Thank you for sharing that, I think you share a lot of the same ideas we all have
Kat, I’d have to say that if it were me, I would want that confirmation beyond a shadow of a doubt too. And God help me until the final word came. They’re in a position that few of us can really fathom.
Geez, Malibu, I had no idea there were so many variations of those! It’s a good thing she jumped from group to group and kept all of her groups so separated. It probably made it easier to keep her stories straight. I just wondered about the carbon dioxide poisoning, too. I wonder if any more documents will be released between now and the trial. You know there will be more internet searches!
Does anyone know anything about Sodium Penothol (truth serum) in the state of Florida??? Admissible in court perhaps, but wouldn’t that or hypnotism, electric shock…. ect. be a useful tool in this case for the prosecution?
Kat & brian,
There is definitely a reason why they wanted the date that Caylee was last seen to be July 9. What happened between July9 and 15 that would cause them to want to change the date? DO you really think it was the big fight on the 16th, or was it something else?
Got to go to bed, but had to see what was up w/my peeps first. I’m keeping my little guy home w/me tomorrow. After all this I cherish our days together even more .
Happy ponderings . Night Friends and blessed be !!!
OOps it should read June not July
June 9
June 9 and June 15
Night, Reecie! I’m going to hit the hay as well. I am wiped out from my big day of Christmas shopping.
Hi Brigit!!! Thanks, I am just sooo intrigued that there are other people out there who have such excellent opinions in this case and knowledge of the story from day one like I have. I found this site last night, and it is a great way to vent some ideas and hear others’ I am from Florida, so since it hit the local news this summer, I have been watching/taping/googling/researching this crime ever since–
Night. That’s what we’ll prob do for daddy tomorrow. Good times !
Kat NG said the same thing about the texts and her being upset about tony leaving
You’ll love it here, Evelyn. Everyone is wonderful, and Yourturntohelp and the other administrators do a great job. It’s by far the best place to go
Have fun shopping, Reecie! It’s a jungle out there, so go early
trust me, you don’t have to live in Florida to hear what’s going on – it’s all over the news!!!
Off topic – I live in Texas now – moved here from Cocoa Beach and let me tell you, I miss it sooo badly!!! I also miss the news stations there, in particular, I miss Local 6 – Jacque London and that group.
I have friends who know Casey (not well – she used to come to the beach and hang at the rave clubs so I am told) and they said she was quite the little partier and loads of fun!!! I just bet she was!!
dead in here
i think when the anthonys came home from the ritz they saw what the police found and took with them they know the jig is up! There saying a sheet or pillow case i bet its from caylees room i dont remember what was on caylees bed when the news woman went in caylees room with cindy two weeks ago.
A pillow and comforter were seen taken out of the house that were from Caylee’s room. They were on top of the bags and could be seen.
I asked this yesterday, is there such a thing as truth serum? if so can they use it? if not why not, on cases like this?
I posted this earlier and in case you didn’t read it:
LP/Rob’s site reported there should be Caylee’s fingernails in the bag that have tissue/DNA…and other evidence under them to help tell of those last minutes.
I always sort of thought Casey was hoping the car would be stolen, that’s why she left it like that- and hoping some bad criminal did it and then when it was found with the bad odor, which she obviously knew was not out of the car, she would say “They kidnapped Casey and killed her and had her in the trunk”- but when she found out the mom had it and it wasn’t stolen, that idea went out the window. If you remember, Cindy asks her point-blank on one of the visits why she left the car like that and didn’t tell them- it seemed Cindy was very suspicious of that.
I also thought the internet searches may be something else other than Caylee- I thought she might have been thinking of going home with men at these clubs, chloroforming THEM, taking money and anything she could get from their house and then make off with it. It seemed like she might desperate enough to do something like that. But there is a huge gap still about how she was getting money- she was obviously stealing from the parents, her friend, grandparents but that seemed to occur in the last few months- she hasn’t been employed for TWO YEARS- where has money been coming from all that time? I can’t imagine she had a huge savings but where was she getting money from for the two years.
I don’t blame the Anthony’s- it must be hard for them- it seems obvious they loved Caylee. I think Lee is being troublesome because he’s a typical rebel 20-something year old- it seemed to me when he was on the stand, he was telling Casey he would support her no matter what because he intentionally used the word “unconditional”- that seemed like a code to Casey that he was going to support her, no matter if she did it or not.
You can’t use truth serum…..yes, there is such a thing…in order to make someone talk. Geesh….if only it was legal!!!!
Why is truth serum not legal? Justice should be more important than rights. You give up your rights when you commit a crime. It seems the truth s hould matter more than rights when it comes to a child that is dead and can not speak for themselves, and if you have nothing to hide then you should not care.
I think they found something that links the Anthony home to the crime scene but they will never say what it was until the trial. Like a pillowcase that matches another one……or a sheet that matches a set of sheets….or a towel that matches the Anthony’s towels…something like that. I am sure they had a reason for combing through the Anthony home the way they did on the night this finding was discovered.
Well, I guess it is because people have rights….and are innocent until proven guilty. Even if we all feel differently about this case….the law is the law
Immunity? Imagine that????????
Casey didn’t need a ton of money. Cindy provided for all of Caylee’s needs. Casey only had to provide for her “extras” and CIndy gave her credit cards.
I think there was an arrangement between CIndy and Caysee. CIndy said not to tell George, and I will pay for you to take care of Caylee. You can be the nanny, and then I get to keep the baby. Casey agreed happily because she knew she could get whatever she wanted; she could control her parents. Cindy was in the process of getting custody of Caylee, but that takes a long time and Casey knew her funds were going to be cut off when that happened. So Casey whined and complained when she had to stay with Caylee, but it was OK with her really until she met Tony L and the big fight happened. CIndy’s hand around Casey’s throat changed everything. Casey knew Cindy was going to get custody and she would not get anything. No money, no place to live, nothing…… Casey was being thrown out……..
Where’s the rest of the crew–Zak,Indy,Flmom????
A bunch of people said goodnight…..I guess it is early bedtime.
some people shouldn’t have rights especially in a murder investigation. I dont think it should ALWAYS be used, just in the case of murder. If they are trying to find a murderer the truth should be what is important not rights especially if it could potentially lead to the loss of life or rights to another person.
Didn’t Casey leave her purse behind at Amscot? IMO, that proves right there that she was trying to make it look like a kidnapping or something – no woman leaves their purse behind under normal circumstances!!!
joe d
where’s those NG jammies?? Did you get rid of them? I wanted to pass them on to someone….
I agree Kathie, but I think Casey assumed her car would be stolen and when that didn’t happen, her plan didn’t work.
I dont know where everybody is I had a LONGGGGG Day I just got here and am watching the late edition of NG. I hope everybody didnt leave.
So how’s that sympathy meter for G,C and L ???
I still am on Georges side. I still dont like nor trust Lee and Cindy
joe d – zero for Cindy, 50 for George, not sure on Lee
I think Lee was instructed by Cindy to take down the memorial items. Though I don’t know why they couldn’t just leave them. And why would anyone bug something outside? And if they were bugged, Lee brought them IN to the house.
Butterfly, there is no LEGAL way to get somebody to talk. I personally think that the head investigator (Yuri or somebody) should go in and say to Casey…..okay….the body is found……start talking!!! But that isn’t legal.
Malibu
When this case is finally over I AM GOING TO BURN THEM and start a campaign to have Mike Brooks be the host—he’s excellent.
Joe D
THis is my question:
THey are digging up a 1 acre site including removing some trees. Now, since Caylee has only been there since June, why would they have to remove the whole tree as opposed to just branches? THey have found a couple of hundred bones…. Do you think too that they are looking for something more than just Caylee?
I am thinking that….. Your opinion????
Cindy is not going to jail for Casey- you can be sure of that. She’ll now tell everything she knows, which means all that pizza nonsense is going to stop, but she won’t point-blank say she thinks Casey did it.
Poor George has to go in his car to cry. It must be bad in the house with Cindy……
Joe D
THis is my question:
THey are digging up a 1 acre site including removing some trees. Now, since Caylee has only been there since June, why would they have to remove the whole tree as opposed to just branches? THey have found a couple of hundred bones…. Do you think too that they are looking for something more than just Caylee?
I am thinking that….. Your opinion??
are you asking if there might be another body?
I trust Lee but only because he doesn’t plaster his face in front of every camera around and do the talk show circuit. He knows (and you can tell by the first jail call) how guilty his sister is.
Kathie
MY meter is and has been: O…O…..O across the board. My opinion never changed–I knew they were full of BS.
Kathie, I can’t figure out why she left her purse in the car either. That bugs me. But, again, it could not have been part of a kidnap plan. You can’t call you bf to pick you up if you’re supposedly kidnapped.
Lexi, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:20 am Said:
I trust Lee but only because he doesn’t plaster his face in front of every camera around and do the talk show circuit. He knows (and you can tell by the first jail call) how guilty his sister is.
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If your niece was missing and you thought she might be alive you would have your face all over the media, you know I would have!!!!!!!!!
I think it was bag/backpack not her everyday purse
I trust George too. Only because he kept to his story both to the detectives and to the FBI…..almost word for word…..plus he was a witness against his own daughter for the Grand Jury to indict her. That had to be hard to do. Cindy wouldn’t have done that.
I believe Casey was involved in taking more lives (not by herself though) I believe she killed Caylee on her own. I didn’t expect her to put Caylee with any other bodies. However, she did put her in their party place and the place they buried their pets. She was celebrating by puting her in the party spot. It is sooo sick.
they need to stop with the video of Caylee, Its killing all of us well it is me. They need to play that video none stop to Casey in her jail cell til she either confesses or goes crazy!
They need to play it to Cindy too, til she admits the truth.
I wouldn’t want to be in front of cameras if I thought my own sister was guilty of murder. How do you defend something like that? I would want to hide…..which is what he did.
but remember Cindy called police first…George went to work even after smelling what he knew was the ’smell of death’
If they’re finding “hundreds” of bones, I’m sure most must be animal. Did others hear LP talk about how this area was where neighborhood kids would come and bury their small pets?
Yes can’t say I would be much different with media camped out in front of my house.
No immunity. What is that all of a sudden? They are not going to change their stories that much, they are still sticking with the nanny did it & that doesn’t fit in with their true (original) comments. And why now?
I am wondering if they found evidence of another body that would convince them go over the area and remove trees, and spend more days
Yes, but George changed his opinion when he was on Larry King- he said his professional opinion was that it was garbage in the back of the car and we know that’s not what he thought before because we have the tape of him telling the police- but NOW it’s garbage, he out-and-out lied on Larry King,
What if they find what was his name, Trent Duckett? What if and this is a big IF they find that baby to? Could Casey be a baby killer????? OMG… My mind is running wild tonight
Malibu
They’re checking EVERYTHING except my NG jammies–I think,as far as taking shrubbery away is they’ll check for certain bugs,fibers that may be clinging on branches,leaves.etc. With that water level being what it was A LOT of things may be scattered in the area–they’re (LE) playing it smart and being VERY thorough. And No,I don’t think there’s other human remains–just animal bones.
I was reading on a different site about how somebody said to check the area around the elementary school, as that was where the kids used to hang out. Anybody else hear of this? I think the comment was made back in August! Makes me wonder if everybody just passed over this site due to water……shame if that is what happened.
Don’t forget the purse on the front seat had her ID in it.
Lexi
It was Kiomarie that told LE about that. BUt at that time, there was a fence around the area because it was to be developed. I also heard there was a bad smell there.
I DO find it strange that LE is spending so much time processing the crime scene. I don’t think they usually do this do they? There must be something besides animal bones that they’re finding
nick, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:27 am Said:
Yes, but George changed his opinion when he was on Larry King- he said his professional opinion was that it was garbage in the back of the car and we know that’s not what he thought before because we have the tape of him telling the police- but NOW it’s garbage, he out-and-out lied on Larry King,
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He was lieing when he said that notice he never looked at Larry king and notice Cindy’s body language she was instructing him with her body language.
Butterfly – Oh jeez, I can’t take that Caylee singing clip either. Please make them stop, it’s heartwrenching.
How high was the water level?
IMO LE should have been checking those woods the minute that the water receeded. How far in did the metere reader walk? seems odd that he wqould go so far in to relieve himself?
Maybe KC thought nobody would think to look there if there was a fence at the time.
a few of us think maybe casey had killed before
nah too busy getting her party on
Well, I’m wondering now about the father of the girl and if Casey might have killed him, too- we’ve never gotten confirmation of who he was.
FLesh still on the duct tape???? That means it has not been there that long????? Or am I wrong???
Blackcat – It takes a long time to distinguish animal bones from human. They have to test them back at the lab. Slow process & they’re checking everything.
I probably wouldn’t think about jumping a fence if I were on the team that was searching for Caylee…..but it is sad that somebody didn’t think of it before now. When did the fence come down…..and why? Just so many questions.
butterfly, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:34 am Said:
FLesh still on the duct tape???? That means it has not been there that long????? Or am I wrong???
no the body was under water slowing that process
hmm so she took the body in the back route then?
When was the fence put up and taken down? Can’t really see Casey going too far out of her way??
Tim Miller was sending another crew back to Orlaando when that area with water subsided–it was his FIRST choice to look there but they could’nt at that time–he said one of their atv’s sank in there and didn’t want to take a chance of a searcher stepping on anything and making it worse to discover anything–he was right.
How did the cadavoir dogs not sniff her out being so close to the house?????
My opinion…..casey hasn’t killed before because there was never any reason. Although I can’t help but to wonder who the heck the father of Caylee is……she sure slept around with anybody who would have her.
but the water has been down for a while or the meter reader would not have been able to walk in without sinking or getting all dirty??
Vanilla
The meter reader is very shy and didn’t want anyone to see his tiny wand—-he was about 25 feet off the road when he took his whiz.
In June – there was no fence yet or flooding.
Storm Fay brought water levels of 3 feet there.
The fence came later as there was to be some developement & then later removed.
The water only receeded a week to 10 days ago according to neighbors.
The remains were only 25 feet in.
I think she disposed of the body on June 24 either before going to Dante’s. Her cell pings show that 4:50-7:33 PM she was at TonyL. 11:00-12:42 at Dante.
I saw it was after dark and before Dante. She drove there.
This case is costing the Florida taxpayers millions- all those people out there, all this work, it’s going to be a small fortune after it is all over.
lol, yes but even shy folks don’t like getting dirty. He would not have walked in and gotten muddy up to his knees and then back into to his truck. The ground was firm and should ahve been rechecked by LE. IMO
Seriously, I wanna know the answer…. The dogs where brought out almost immediatly, before the Hurricane if the body was there why didnt the dogs sniff it out?
personally I feel Tim should NOT have said that area was CLEARED knowing that part of it could not be searched. I just do not understand the way he did the search… saying he was staying for 5 days and calling things off after a few hours…I have doubts about how well he searched
The dogs weren’t taken to the area she was discovered. Otherwise, they would have hit on that too!
Lexi
You don’t know of any reason. There are lots of indicators to show she most likely did it before. Antisocial behavior disorder. Jennifer Kesse’s main suspect looks like Casey…. Similarities
Nick
It’s only money—everbody here in Florida’s taking it on the chin
kathy101, exactly, a guy walks in off the street? should have been LE.
Lexi, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:42 am Said:
The dogs weren’t taken to the area she was discovered. Otherwise, they would have hit on that too!
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Thats my point she was SOOO damn close how did the dogs not sniff her out. I think that if this is the case more science needs to be done in how accurate dogs are
The body and bag were semi buried in the shallow grave. The water and animals helped to expose it more from what I read.
they did hit on the back yard. She might have gone out the back and over her fence? maybe it confused the dogs?
LE was counting on Tim and he flip fopped so much on this search it kept me guessing! and then Tim says just give up looking because she will never be found
sorry but something is worg there… how he has sooooooo much money donated but yet doesn’t even have money for water for the first day the search…where did the money go
Vanilla—I think the meter reader saw the bag while whizzing and i’m sure he was aware of what everyone was searching for–glad he got curious….
I’m glad to know the people of Florida are willing to pay whatever it takes to find the truth Joe D.
Malibu…I am only giving my opinion as a psychotherapist that she never killed before. I can’t think of a reason why she would. I am studying her as if she were a case of mine……given to me with little information
The dogs were only used in the back yard and the car. They hit on the right tail light/trunk area and spots in the backyard. They did not go further because the body must have been put in the car and transported.
I don’t know, up til I JUST had that thought I never thought anyone helped her but the dogs should have been able to find her. The tape having skin on it, so many things are now pointing to the fact in my mind that she was recently put there.
yha dawgs never wrong
Ok yes so she dumped body not far off the road. Casey is a simple creature. I surprised that Caylee was not found sooner.
sorry typo the dawgs r never wrong
Butterfly
Those dogs are more accurate than any scientic instrument they have–they hit on the trunk and backyard right? Saint Bernard dogs can sniff out a person under 10 feet of snow—ask a scientist if HE can.
like i said butterfly the dawgs r never wrong, they can smell through concrete also
joe d, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:50 am Said:
Butterfly
Those dogs are more accurate than any scientic instrument they have–they hit on the trunk and backyard right? Saint Bernard dogs can sniff out a person under 10 feet of snow—ask a scientist if HE can.
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Then they should have found her on the first search she was 1/4 miles from the house
Lee also laughed on the interview tapes..I was quite surprised to hear him laugh when he was describing the overpowering smell of the car..it did not sound like a laugh of nervousness at being interviewed..he seemed quite casual about the whole thing..I do think he carries a heavy burden and can understand his resistance to the media etc..I am sure he has heard the things being said about him and no way in this world could he miss the fact that his family is pretty despised right now..I do think when the pieces of this puzzle come together we will learn much more about Lee..I am very curious as to whether he has gone into seclusion because he no longer supports Casey or because of the intense scrutiny going on
About Casey being involved in other murders – seems far-fetched to me.
Leonard Padilla – “Please don’t take my Nan away…” I call BS. If you listen to it, she is holding her mouth funny, but she definitely sings the right words. DOH. Leonard, I love ya baby but SHADDAP already. Geez. Take a vacation, come back later and write your book or do your special or whatever.
That said, it’s more heartbreaking by the day to see that tape of Caylee singing. Can you imagine how the grandparents must feel seeing that?
Lexi – I think you’re talking about the statement of Kiomarie Cruz Torres (I may have the 2 last names reversed sorry not sure) childhoold friend of Casey who told about the area behind HIdden Oaks School where she & friends used to hang out, their secret place, and apparently the local pet cemetary? Yeesh. I bet Kio is quaking in her boots – she said i her interview that this is where Casey would put Caylee if something happened. This is the same girl who, when Casey got pregnant, told her that she couldn’t have children & would like to adopt Caylee, which Cindy refused to allow.
most blood hound even lose scent in the water.. those dogs that were in the wooded area at the time they were there.. tim miller said the water was 3 ft deep.. so the body was under water from july 24 when hurricane fay came through until it went down about 2 weeks before the baby was found..
but underwater
the bone trail will prove that bag was there since june
Kat! yes this is what I mean..this area was handed on a silver platter to LE.
I too am feeling strange about Tim Miller- I mean, if that was the first place he wanted to search, why in the world didn’t he have someone watching that area and informing him when the water went down for them to search. I mean- it’s like he “forgot” about it or something and then announced she might never be found- didn’t he realize the most important was never even searched? This was a huge blunder on his part- people are trying to cover it up for him by saying he did the right thing but the fact is this is a place that should have been the first to be searched, the water had been down for weeks and it was just left unsearched and he had no plans on doing so.
the condition of the bag, bone trail, if someone just put it there they would know, besides who put it there zenaida? puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeseee
padilla had a brain fart.. that baby is singing pleae dont take naaaaaaaaa sunshine away. she was holdng her mouth funny.. then ask papa if he was tired.. padilla needs to go find another person to bail out of jail and get off the tv..
lee, I like LP but ya that was a lame comment.
Butterfly
A 1/4 mile away?? Do you know how many different smells are floating around a quarter mile area? Plus she was under water–they(dogs) would need to be closer to where she was. Rest assured if that area wasn’t under water and the dogs were close enogh,they’d have sniffed her out quick.
lol trus.. yes.. just like she held casey at gun point when she made her rip that tape to put on caylee.. when her finger prints come back on the bag and tape.. that will be crazys story.. lol
trus, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:55 am Said:
the condition of the bag, bone trail, if someone just put it there they would know, besides who put it there zenaida? puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeseee
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NO! but do you not find it strange, I am starting to think that someone helped her after she was in jail, cause it seems like the dogs would have found her, !
yall sound like ca, “zenaida planted it”, i guess her reasonable doubt tour really worked!
if they were walked along side the road would they have been able to pick up the scent when water receeded if a body was in 25 feet?
yes. padilla thinks he knows all there is to know. he is reading this blog nightly .. and comes the next days and quotes some of it.. i am sorry.. i dont like him. he is too much in the news for no reason..
joe d, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:58 am Said:
Butterfly
A 1/4 mile away?? Do you know how many different smells are floating around a quarter mile area? Plus she was under water–they(dogs) would need to be closer to where she was. Rest assured if that area wasn’t under water and the dogs were close enogh,they’d have sniffed her out quick.
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The hurricane had not hit when the dogs were out there the first time.!!!!!!!!!! THATS MY POINT! No hurricane no water, the dogs should have smelled it!!!
tim got lots of money from people i florida and I am at a loss to see where the money was spent! on the first search didn’t he claim one of the phycics stole money??? Seems I read something on that and then he claims he is going to search all weekend and only 4 hours after he starts he claims he is out of money? WTH where did he spend the money at in one night when he is not paying anyone to search nor is he feeding them or paying for their hotel rooms! FISHY
like i said, the evidence will show how long the body was there etc. its like looking for a needle in a haystack in the initial search
also he goes on TV dogging LP for no reason!
Not sure I resect tim much
casey is the one who did it.. no zanieda ever exised.. and when they bring up her cell phone records from the past year and show who each and every in and out going call came from and there is no zany on that list.. her nanny story is shot..
yall sound like ca, “zenaida planted it”, i guess her reasonable doubt tour really worked!
Nancy is just enabling Padilla and his endless quest for fame and attention- she has him on constantly and he never says anything important or informative- just a lot of posturing from him to make himself look good. She knows he has inserted himself into this case just for the camera time yet she lets him on anyway- I don’t get it.
Someone on the show said it best, it will be GAME OVER really soon.
tim miller has gotten a lot of money from people who blog here.
That area was fenced and searchers did not go to that immediate spot. 25 feet away in dry weather they’d have found her in a few seconds no doubt. But trust me I live here and when that search was in full bloom half the state was still under water.
Tim Miller is a very Good man. Dont let suspicion run wild. He has helped many families!
lee, you’re right, she has gone on and on about these phone calls from different numbers of ZG. LE are going to put a name to each number on her phone records.
he fills in time plus so many people like him
lee shes going to claim she called zenaida on her lost phone
i cant understand nancy grace doing the whole padilla nightly thing either.. maybe we need to send her an email and tell her we are sick of him..lol
I have to wonder why is Padilla in Orlando at all? He cannot assist with the ongoing sifting of dirt or anything else – he has given his “accident” theory a zillion times – why is he there? If they call him as a witness – so be it, but that won’t be for months now.
Tim miller has been a mystery to me from the get-go. One day, he is all about the search, next day-he has run out of money and/or given up. There is something fishy about that. Cannot put my finger on it, but NG carries on and on about how great he is. I feel sad that he lost his daughter and I think he means well, but sometimes he seems like he’s had a few too many when interviewed.
As far as Lee, I think he is Caylee’s dad – that is why he is staying clear of the whole charade.
As far as the dogs, that’s another mystery which I am sure will be brought up by the defense.
When TM said on NG that LP was trying to capitalize on the case with photo ops etc .Lp certainly did not deny it..I think his time in the spotlight should be over..
but she already told lee that lost phone was blackberry and she had taken her sim card out of it and put it back in her nokia.. a blackberry dont have a sim card
trus, there are still her phone records, remember she says it was the same sim card, hence, same phone records.
remember she lost her phone, thats why she was googling lost numbers
lee, she said it was blackjack
Butterfly
If you think someone “planted” the body there later I’d have to disagree. When all the lab results come back they’ll have the length of time down to within hours–bet on it.
Tim Miller has worked and searched tirelessly for many missing people for years..i dont blame him for having a few too many sometimes and after dealing with the Anthonys anyone would need a drink or 20
I personally think LP did more in the search than Tim did… I would love to see where Tim spent the money. because what I could tell everything was donated and he was the only one getting paid to search
I agree eli.. padilla 15 minutes are up.. he needs to go home.. he got his face plnted on tv for bailing crazy out. now the 10 days his nephew spent with the family.. NOT HIM>> he had to sit outside.. lol.. he needs to go home.. go find another high profile case and bail them out.
About the dogs…….you have to be familiar with how cadavar dogs work..,..they will only “hit” on what they have been taken to. They were never taken to the spot Caylee’s body was found, so they could never “hit” on it to show a dead body was there.
helr, i was being sarcastic.. sorry
Kathie— I am really not trying to give the defence anything at all I totally believe Casey did it. But it just hit me a little while ago why the dogs didn’t find her. Thats what they are bread to do. Even Nancy Grace has said so many times C-dogs dont get it wrong, and the body was so close to home.
Ifs she really had a second phone number to prove her innocence I think she would remember it.
anyone who has dealt with the anthonys for any period of time.. usually that person quits.. or leaves the scene.. because they cant take the casey kool aid.. anymore..
everyone should stop the miller and padilla bashing, no matter what thier motive, at least they were searching. more than i can say for anthony family
LP spent more time on NG and various other media shows than search..TM was the one out searching more than LP..TM should release his financial records regarding this search so ppl will know where and how the money was spent
yeah I know tim has a drinking problem and that does mess with your judgement and can make you go through lots of money too…ask my brother how much he spent a week on booze
eli, I agree on the drinking thing, I did not mean that TM has not done a good job, I just question him on the case and off the case and then back on, and yea…he looks so tired and a litttle intoxicated sometimes. I sure don’t blame him for that. I think that maybe this case is just too much for him. I am not sure, but I wonder if he has ever been on such a high profile, confusing case as this. I do know he has found many lost children and adults, so we should give him major props for that.
when quanico come back with their findings.. the anthonys had better hope they already have an immunity deal. i hope they dont get one..
yikes, I just thought he was weary?!
eli, on December 17th, 2008 at 2:12 am Said:
LP spent more time on NG and various other media shows than search..TM was the one out searching more than LP..TM should release his financial records regarding this search so ppl will know where and how the money was spent
I wish he would but that will never happen because no way he spent a 10th of that money on the search….what cost money? His flight there…. his motel room?
True Kathy..I think he has really been exhausted by this case..just a few days before the body was discovered I had heard he had been hospitalized for chest pains..he doesn’t look well
God bless Tim Miller and “publicity Padilla too
Okay this thread is taking a turn in a direction I do not want to be a part of. Tim Miller is a good man he has always had the best of intentions anyone who can say otherwise is just WRONG!!!!!!!!! I am going to bed goodnight all and God bless. Rest in peace Caylee Marie
good question kathy..there may be other thing she had to pay for that may not be known but it would be nice to know where the money went
I do give props to LP for bailing her happy ass out of jail the first time (even if he did it for publicity) because the premise was she was to assist LE in finding Caylee.
Butterfly, I agree…….Tim Miller is a good man. He spend too many hours looking for our little Caylee.
did anyone hear that ca is still sticking with the zenaida bs
I agree with butterfly – we got off topic. Maybe we are all braindead from this case!!! Sorry about that.
I bet Lee is quaking right now because he used to hang out in those woods also where the body was found.
And what about the 3 that keep showing up? Patrick Bourgeois, Frank Bourgeois, and Mike Walker (1st Jail visit? What is their connection that 1 of them ends up on TV (at the jail, dive site, and home after the body was found). Why do they need to make themselves seen on TV?
they got kc thats all there is to it
Yeah, Tim Miller is awesome and padilla is ok too
people can have good intentions but if they have a drug/drinking problem it can change everything! you can do a good job drunk. you can’t budget money drunk nor can you think clear.
sorry but if he needs to get drunk he needs to not do it while he is searching
I feel something was not right with him during this search
I am hoping that once they positively id the body as Caylee’s and the evidence starts to come into play, the Anthony’s (or should I say Cindy, because I think George is holding no delusions – he is just placating his wife) will have to admit their daughter murdered their granddaughter, as sad and pathetic as it is.
malibu who is burgouis?
Please everyone…..don’t make assumtions. Remember Caylee is the reason we are here.
kathy101 at 8:20 p.m. wrote:
>lying to a cop during a crime investigation is a crime<
Very succinctly put, kathy101. Here’s what I’m beginning to think may have been in George’s mind: As long as he wasn’t under oath in an official, sworn interview, he could pretty much say whatever he wanted to say without fear of prosecution for either perjury or obstruction. I agree with those here who have said that he was going along with Cindy to get along, but perhaps (even though he is a former sheriff’s deputy and should know the law) he may have miscalculated his legal liability for his and Cindy’s public statements, and this is partly why he and Cindy may now be coming forward — that, and it’s a pretty tough row to hoe to still be suggesting that Caylee is alive.
I believe that in the main, George did tell investigators the truth in his interviews, and I still think he could turn out to be the prosecution’s star witness and a hero in this case. However, George’s heroism may be dampened and muted by a couple of things: (1) If he knew anything at all about the time, means or methods by which Caylee’s body was disposed, he is a goat, not a hero in that regard, for allowing it to remain uncollected and treated so disrespectfully, all for the sake of protecting his daughter Casey. And (2) the inconsistencies of both his statements and Cindy’s — made in the effort to draw attention away from Casey — may now be turned around like a canon on them — not by prosecutors but by defense lawyers, who will turn on them like jackals and try to rip them to shreds on the witness stand.
I think the prosecution will avoid calling Cindy to the witness stand any more than absolutely necessary, because of the extreme vulnerability of her testimony under defense scrutiny. George will have to soldier on, on his own, and I believe he will be viciously and relentlessly attacked for doing so. Things are not looking good for Lee either, and his refusal not only of a lie detector test but now even exclusionary fingerprints until forced to comply by a subpoena makes him look extremely suspicious. I’m not saying I know anything definitive — yet . . . but if I had to speculate about anyone else’s fingerprints beside Casey’s being on the plastic bag or the duct tape, Lee would top my list. Next in line would be Tony Lazarro, whose trip to the Anthony home to help Casey break in and steal the gas cans and whose reported location for Casey’s out-of-gas car put him close to the disposal site.
How ’bout it folks, do you think Casey may have had an accomplice?
didn’t one of them go visit her in jail? don’t know who the other 2 are and have they all been on tv recently being interviewed? Clueless about this part.
the trunk is the nanny
nope, no accomplice IMO
Kathy101, youre wong. Conway is telling them to shut the f up and he probably told the about obstr charges to get ca off tv
Is it an actual trunk or is a hatchback open to the back seat?
is it documented that Tony Lazarro helped Casey break into the shed to get the gas cans? If it is – then your theory – IMO – is spot on.
malibu who is burgouis??
Patrick Bourgeois showed up at the first Jail Visitor the first time Casey was arrested. He said “we are still on the same team” Also he was wearing a Houston Astros Baseball hat (Texas & American(a) is the intersection that Jennifer Kesse’s car was found). WHen Patrick went to the jail he was on video and Casey could not see him because his hat was in the way. He gave her a message about Mike Walker and Frank Bourgeois, charter fishing boat captain, signed in but did not appear on video.
Frank Bourgeois appeared in the camera at the dive site where Rob was having a problem with the drunken cowboy harrassing him. Frank B stayed in the camera – as the camera moved, he moved.
THe day they announced the finding of Caylee’s body, Mike Walker was at the house within 30 minutes and appeared on camera. He was not looking sad, but excited. He said Casey did not put her in their party spot. They partied there in high school. Casey and Mike Walker were both in track in high school.
thanx
Awesome post Tim in Colorado…the silence around so many characters in this case has me thinking someone may have been an accomplice…her defiant, selfish refusal to talk or admit to anything and this continued silence from her (especially when she knows her family is going through hell) says to me that she may be not talking in part because there may be someone else involved..Lee is very suspicious to me and it wouldn’t surprise me if he was involved
Casey is the nanny. Casey herself put “Nanny” on her resume as her employment. Cindy treated her as the Nanny.
eli, they are all doing illegal drugs and stuff they don’t want to get involved
wow, Malibu – you have a lot of info and talking about people that I have never heard of before, and I thought I was on top of this case. Are you talking about the dude that had the meltdown in front of the Anthonhy home after the body was discovered? Because that guy (I think it was a guy) was off the chain!!
hmmm, so how is he connected?
malibu, yep I think your right
Sorry guys I got upset. I am going to bed but I just wanted to say this, as far as the accomplice I think it is that EX cop, Anthony…read his interview, he said that Casey said she dropped Caylee off down the street.As well his first two interviews he lied and it seems he had an obsession with Casey, and wanted to please her……. Didn’t Tony L. take and pass a lie detector?
when Casey made that flurry of calls to her parents that day..I wonder who else she called in that timeframe? If she had done something or an accident happened maybe she tried to reach someone else to help her out of her mess
The question is how and why do these 3 guys Patrick, Frank, and Mike keep showing up and getting on camera. What message are they really trying to get out and who is the message really for ???????
tim in colorodo
i think tony knows something here, he broke into the shed, picked her up at the dump(by the site)site, never ? her not having caylee for over a month(well supp they asked about her) but wouldnt he at least want to be a part of her, doing thingd with her and kc) and didnt kc have to reek at times being in that car, and i forgot when his truck was in the shop for a week but wouldnt they of used kcs car during that time? why didnt he?state the 2 above discrepencies in his initial interview?
wow and double wow – there are just so many twists and turns to this case that I am tripping!!! I have gotten more on this website than I have on JVM,NG,Gretta, CNN or the local news.
butteryfly, really?? I need to back and read that interview.
Those 3 guys are idiots, IMO, nothing more
eli,
She probably made the calls to make sure that no one was home, and that the parents were at work. It showed up that she would wait around the corner, watch and call the house, as soon as the house was empty she would go in, take food, change clothes, use the computer, grab beads, look for what she wanted, and make calls (JC Penneys credit limit check).
she prob tried to reach the ants to see if they would babysit that night, she went with tony to get movies, ect
lol Kathie…yes this site is a gem..it has brought so many people together and there is so much amazing info on here..
et..great observation..I hadn’t thought of that..considering how bad the car smelled of decomp and Casey was driving around in it for ? long..can u imagine what she smelled like?
these guys, Patrick, Frank and Mike – have they been interviewed and is it public record?
thanks Malibu..that makes alot of sense1
wht did they hve to brek into the shed(To make it look like a thieve?) kc had acess to those keys in the house, if i remember right in the interviews)early 1s) about the left, didnt the ants say the keys were put up so caylee wouldnt reach them?
Tony L is in the dark on this. Jesse, Tony L and Amy passed the polygraph.
THere are a lot of interviews we haven’t seen yet. THere is a tattoo guy, Annie D, Steve Jones, the Jacksonville connection, LCPL Mark Hawkins, Annie’s dad (who had animals and was missing animal drugs), Vicky or Katie from Saw Grass, and many others…………
Kathie
No on all three- We have not seen interviews…….
i doubt kc ever ran out of gas those 2 xs
thanks Malibu – I have to ask you – how do you know all this? Like how do you know that Annie’s dad (who is annie?) is missing his animals drugs? I am just curious what websites you see all this on? I thought I had this case pretty much figured out and have stayed right on top of it, but you are bringing up things and people (and you also know what they look like) I have never heard of. WOW you are good, Can you please enlighten me on how you know all this and if so, point me (us) to those websites?
Malibu – I was suspicious of the Bourgeois brothers & Walker, too. Presuming this turns out to be Caylee, that kind of dashes the dumped-at-sea theory initially tossed around about them. Still something funky there.
Tim in CO – great to see you again! I agree re: Cindy. She’s a loose cannon. Plus assuming she gets no immunity, her attorney will not let her incriminate herself. Expect lots of 5th amendment refusals to answer – another reason to avoid her. Or not, depending how they might end up trying to play these characters against each other to get at Casey.
Re: Tony and the gas cans – I believe he himself described this incident in one of his statements. Plus I think the neighbor Brian Burner corroborated him on that. Tony said Casey was always running out of gas. Several of her family & friends said that. Maybe she did. More likely, she SAID she ran out of gas a lot.
One last shot before I leave – I took a closer look at the web search data in the discovery docs tonight. Along with “xanax” and is “xanny” and/or “xanni”. To me this bolsters the theory that “Zanny the Nanny”=Xanax. Or generic shorthand for other drug-as-babysitter. Also interesting – Casey WAS the Nanny, as somebody noted was on her resume.
well they were all flakes for believing her far fetched lies
I say she disposed of the body on 6/24 after dark. On 6/25 she called Jesse and said she was free for the weekend…. ( meaning FREE).
kathie
http://www.docstocs.com is full of so much info on this case..cell phone records, interviews, emails..LOTS of reading lol
vanilla, on December 17th, 2008 at 2:34 am Said:
butteryfly, really?? I need to back and read that interview.
Those 3 guys are idiots, IMO, nothing more
____________
Yes I posted it the other day He said that Casey said that she dropped Caylee off down the street and when questioned about thier reletionship, he said that he felt like the “girl” in the relationship, that after they “finished” having sex she threw on her close and ran out the door. He said that he always was the one that instigated things with her. He also lied to previous times, til he was absolutly caught he did not come clean.
My theory is that she was jealous of Caylee she had said things similiar in her IM’s to him and he was obsessed with Casey and she said to him if you help me do this we can be together him being a cop she figured he would know how to keep it from being discovered after Caylee was gone she ran to Tony L, and left Anthony high and dry… what could he do go to the cops and say she tricked me into helping her??? No he knew he would lose his job and go to jail with her…. Read that interview again , with everything you know now… It makes since
It is way tooo late here and cold……. Nite all………
tonys statement on him actually helping her break in was in sept, why didnt he say this in his 1st statement?
Tim in Colorado,
Are you still here?
butterfly at 2:30 a.m. wrote:
>Didn’t Tony L. take and pass a lie detector?<
I believe you’re right that Tony Lazarro did take and pass a lie detector test. However, I’m not sure that takes him off my list of suspicious people, because (to my knowledge) it has never been made public exactly what he was asked at the time. With the discovery of the remains, investigators could be much more specific with their line of questioning than they might have been early on.
And frankly, I’m a lot more suspicious of Tony or Lee than Mike Walker or Patrick Bourgeois. My understanding about Patrick is that in his initial jail visit he was on a mission of goodwill from his local church; and the supposedly sinister connections with the charter fishing boat captain brother Frank do not line up, because the charter boat owner is significantly older than Patrick or Casey, who were, as correctly pointed out by malibu above, friends in high school. I could be proven wrong about this and please feel free to disagree, but I believe this is a rabbit trail leaving bloodhounds barking up the wrong tree.
ok who knows right off hand when kc made the statement or im to amy that she finally got rid of the dead squirrel smell? tht implies she dumped caylee cause the smell was STILL THERE!
Can these people get better names lol. Geesh even that gets things so much more confused. Poor jurors.
I don’t think there is an accomplice. If there was, Casey would not have tried to get permission to go on a search without the police- she just would have had the accomplice do what she wanted to do. i also think the intense media coverage would make whoever go cut a deal with the prosecution in exchange for going easy on them Plus, there seems to be nothing here that Casey could not do all by herself..
And i’m not saying Tim Miller is bad- he’s great for what he has done, i’m just saying he needs to be more thorough and organized- everyone and their mother got on TV in the last week saying mothers who kill their children dispose of them near-by. If there was a big area near the house he did not search, he should have had people in place to report on when it would be possible to go in there and take a look- the water had been gone for weeks, even before he got on TV saying it was all a lost cause now trying to find her. To think he was going to write it all off without even searching what even the TV experts said was the most obvious place is disturbing.
Tim,
Directions for bold and italics>/i> in the backroom
BJ
oops italics
don’t think Cindy can take the 5th only the person being charged can…isn;t that correct?
thank you tim in colorodo, i always had a susp about tony!
Hi,
I have been out all day & I caught the end of the NG show….what’s this all about giving the Anthony’s imunity???
eli, thanks for the website, but it said I would be compromising my computer with hackers or some such thing. WTH??
et, it is almost like if she acknowledges thing a ‘little’ it is ok? know what I mean. Don’t know off hand the date of the txt to Amy. June 24th?
I think Tony was involved somehow! I don’t think KC killed Caylee I think he did it and she is covering for him.
the can get imm unity if they give pertinent, truethful facts
Cool — thanks, BJ. I think I’ll try and check that out. Had asked about it the other day.
The P, she would not be the first to cover for her man. BUT when she wanted to speak to him from jail I don’t believe they have talked since? so you would think she would give him up now?
Maybe it was planned that way. Lets face it KC is not all there. She is surely a nutcase that seemed to care about men more than her baby.
??????????? what kcs obession with wanting tonys phone number from the jail call, thats all she was concerned with! also, the sttement she mde to him, if they dont find her im going down for this
you mean like he said I will wait for you? etc..
but she is not that type, she moves from man to man….
I wonder who chose the name “CAY” – “LEE”…a combination of Casey and Lee…also sounds like “Cindy.”..no sign of George in her name? {not suggesting incest…just curious!}
I dislike Henry Lee who is known for lying…I also dislike the “team” that Baez has assembled…I also dislike Baez because of the sleazy way he touched Casey inappropriately…I am worried that he is filing all these motions with a mis-trial in mind!
I hope the prosecution have all their ducks in a row when they come to trial…would hate to see this drag on with appeals!
Kathie..I think i gave u the wrong website..it is www,docstoc.com..not docstocs….try that and hopefully u wont get that warning..
I don’t think little Caylees body was there since june or july. I think Tony put it there recently to give a good defense for KC.
et, so they talked but just one time right? no contact since?
I doubt she would cover for him if he dropped her?
Maybe Tony offered her more than the others. She is a strange girl. I just don’t think she did this alone.
I am still wondering why Malibu did not answer my question as to how she knows all this info – and the website I was directed to has a warning not to go on it – I am new here & have only been on it the past few days, but I am wondering why there is so much talk about things that the media has never mentioned? Sorry, guys but I am just attempting to get up to speed with you all!!
they just can’t come up with good names, I think Cindy named the baby.
i wonder what the fight was or whatever with tony and his roomate and best friend? they were in business together than along comes kc and they had problems
I just think something is odd about Tony.
young and immature and involved with drugs PLUS his new gf is accused of murdering her child. I would odd too if I were Tony.
yea but she would cover cause it would implicate her too
The P,
Did you read Casey’s and Tony’s text messages on the morning after the 911 calls?. According to the text messages he seemed very surprised and disguisted with Casey when he found out Caylee was missing. I don’t think he was involved.
alright guys, I for real got to get some rest I have been up for over 24 hours.. Night night. God Bless and rest in peace Caylee Marie
FYI here is another link with a very succinct listing of the documents with good links:
http://the-red-couch.blogspot.com/2008/12/casey-anthony-documents.html
Re: Tony as accomplice – maybe he did nothing, but by having him break in for the gas cans, his fingerprints would be everywhere and she could try to pin some/all of it on him?
Re: Pleading 5th amendment – I am pretty sure anybody can do that at any time when the testimony they are asked to give can incriminate them in a crime. You can’t be compelled to incriminate yourself, which confessing to a crime under oath, even if you are not the one currently on trial, would be.
et..yes Casey was dictating to Lee and her mom to give her Tony’s number..you think she might be a bit more concerned that her daughter was ‘missing’ and she was sitting in jail..than trying to connect with Tony..Lee told her it probably wasnt a good idea to call him..of course that didnt stop Casey from demanding the number..
I think tony is creepy
Insanity won’t wash…change of venue – maybe Mars or Pluto…certainly not on this planet!
The death penalty would be TOO KIND…Casey should be given life without the possibility of parole…she should spend alternate months in a solitary cell decorated with the gruesome remains of Caylee and the other months in general population so that she wouldn’t know when her death would come {just like Caylee didn’t!}. Through no fault of my daughter…she gave birth to a stillborn son…burying him was the hardest thing I have ever had to do…at least he didn’t suffer like Caylee did…I want Casey to suffer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eli, didn’t you just crunge when she said ‘umm cause he’s my boyfriend!’
Kathie..I have never seen a warning on the docstoc site but maybe that is new..theres also info on humbleopinion.com and the mysterywriter site
ok caylees name =======
caysey t lee = CAYLEE
I just hope we all know the truth soon. Caylee was such a beautiful little girl.
eli, didn’t you just cringe when she said ‘umm cause he’s my boyfriend!’
like, I think he just broke up with you Crazy Casey
maibu.. what does jennifer kesse have to do with anythng? I am lost here
eli, didn’t you just crunge when she said ‘umm cause he’s my boyfriend!’
the most interesting topic on the board tonight is when ya’ll
were talking about the “sawgrass babysitting service”
this sounds like these girls were partying and they were dopeing us their
kids and leaving them in am apartment… this may have some truth to it.
I think it would be good for LE to investigate this situation.
these girls were Casey accomplises.
oops?!
Yes Vanilla..she is so self absorbed..she was probably trying to reach him to tell him more lies and tell him she wouldnt be able to rent movies or cook him dinner for awhile
She seemed obsessed with Tony.
436taxi..there is a movie called The Babysitters and its about young girls offering babysitting services which is code for sleeping with married men for cash..very interesting if that theory about Sawgrass is correct!
yep she is that crazy obsessed GF that guys run from. Can you believe that she thought she still had a boyfriend? I think that says a lot right there? Her state of mind was/is so far off of a nrmail grieving or scared mother.
well i wonder this? where was kc plnning on living, tony was suppose to be moving out, they looked at 1 bedroom apts. kc coudlnt go back to the ants without caylee, where they getting a 1 bedroom together, i wonder where kc was going to live?
Thanks to all, I got the websites and wow is there a lot of info-normally, I was picking and choosing an interview from one site and another from another site, sorry to ramble.
I have always said the Cay-Lee is that Lee is the father. That is why she never went after the supposed deceased dad for child support or social security after his death. I think that Cindy (not George) knows this and maybe she was going to blow the whistle on them both.
As far as Tony, I think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time as far as the gas cans go and is not involved, but I do think he likes his drugs and does not want to be involved at all. He was not with Casey long enough to form an attachment to her or Caylee IMO.
I have been lurking on here for about a week., I was so happy to find this site. It is the best update place:)
how r the anthony’s going to explain chloroform and neck breaking searches on the computer? Oh…I
et..Casey probably wanted to move in with Tony and Caylee would not be welcome..definitely a motive for her to go ‘missing’
I think she is too lazy to find real father so she stole from mom & dad, way easier.
also, Tony told the police that Casey would wake up in a cold sweat more than once. I doubt he would offer that up if he was an accomplice. I think he liked the sex with her and the way she cooked and cleaned, Typical guy stuff. Nothing more.
kathie you could be right but something just don’t seem right about him or Lee for that matter.
ya and she states she went to the nannys apt at the sawgrass to get the nannys insurence papers!
casey lived at her parents house so when she
stole the gas cans in the eyes of the law she was not really stealing.
in Tony’s interview he did not assist Casey in breakiing the locks and
thought that since it was casey main residence he didn’t see any problem with her going in the backyard and getting the gas cans.
I always believed a family should stick together BUT if one of my family members did something like this I could not defend them in any way.
OK I lied – here’s my parting shot –
Re: timeline and exactly when Casey left the Anthony house for the last time – Troy Brown statement, he talks about how he & some of the others got together on 7/20 and worked out a calendar. Plus he had his cell phone in hand – 6/24 12:40pm Casey was talking about delay with her & Amy moving in together – she says ‘I haven’t even been in the house in nine days.’ that puts it at June 15.
Of course, you have to believe both Troy and Casey to take that as fact. Could just be more spin from her. But this was way back on 6/24.
I have only seen one friend defend KC has there been any others that I missed? Or any other family members?
et, how does she says these things with a straight face?? were the papers for the fake car accident?
I think she lied soooo much, that we cannot even begin to figure her out. Just think what she has told these parents over the years.
I dont think Casey has any defenders other than Bozo and her parents..she has stolen money from her grandparents, parents, Caylee’s acct, her friends..and Uncle Rick thinks she is a liar and a thief and involved in Caseys death..other family members on George’s side havent said a word..not alot of love lost there
i think thats what the papers were for et…she invented the accident and Z’s supposed hospital stay..what kind of person says their dad has had a stroke when he hadnt? She is just sick on so many levels
i wonder how and where and why kc stole cas vehicle
huh? cas vehicle
oops just got it ,Cindy’s right? don’t know about that part..
It was so sad to see John Walsh on tv breaking down crying about his son’s murder 27yrs ago..finally he has answers but no justice..and he asked “What kind of person takes away a 6 year old child and decapitates him??” Seeing that man’s heartbreak made me think Hey Casey! THATS what a greiving parent looks like
ya but im wondering if the injuries that she stated in that lie from the car accident is the harm caylee suffered, always a grain of truteth with kc!!!!!!
et, wow what if they find a little broken arm?
Eli, do you wonder why Casey didn’t already know tony’s number? Did he change it after all this happened?
kc stole ca vehicle ga saw her and followed her then lost her
Anybody seen more about this Sawgrass employee Vicky A who appears to have all the right Casey-crony names on her MySpace page? Were Vicky A. and Annie Dowling and Dante Salati friends? Seems worth checking into. Grand scheme or spur-of-the-moment, there’s got to be some reason that Casey pointed out the Sawgrass Apartments.
it is interesting that we have not heard of any relatives for george say anything. does he have any brothers or sisters?
I don’t think any of casey new friends (those that she knew from Fusion) want to get involved because they all are invloved in drugs
he was new. It was programmed in her phone, could be true?!
these days people dont remember phone #, they are programmed in cell lol
I too wondered why she didn’t know Tonys number
I wondered that too JoyceEllaine..you would think she had it memorized and wouldnt have to ask for the number..maybe he was giving her a hint and changed his number after he learned what was going on
Tim, I think she did spend time there & was hoping for someone to come forward that might have seen her & Caylee there? just a thought?….
Goodnight all thank you for the chat:)
George has a sister and brother in law who are quite well off from what i have read..havent heard a word from them..i think George has a distant relationship to his dad as well..both Cindys parents and George’s are elderly and not in good health at all
lol i didnt know mine for 2 mo had to keep looking on my cell
Casey is so demented..imagine how she took LE up to Universal on that ‘i work there’ BS..and when she admitted finally that she did not work there the detective was even more exasperated with her and she said she wanted to go there to see if caylee might be there..ker kidnapper might have taken her there..can u believe the web of lies..she soesnt even come up with excuses or lies that make sense
i thought annie and her boyfriend lived at the sawgrass, like 2 yrs ago
Casey didn’t memorize tony’s number she had it on speed dial.
I have to admit I don’t know my wife’s work phone because I have it on speed dial and haven’t taken the time to memorize it and I never dial it even thought I call her everyday
Hey, vanilla,
I’m pretty sure law enforcement interviewed at least three Sawgrass employees: the office manager, a clerk and a maintenance man, but what did Vicky A. do there? Is there an official interview with her that I may have missed in the discovery documents?
ga parents are in fla. in the reports, he states ca was going to go visit them cuse she hadnt been in awhile
Tim, I just meant that maybe Sawgrass was a place where Casey & Caylee could have been seen together. Justt not on the day that Casey says…
annie or dante also stated kc new the code to get into the complex from them
she may hve been to the sawgrass for parties, one night stands
Most people are afraid of confrontation but not Casey, she just tells another lie. Most people shake in their boots?! I would have been afraid to be bailed out of jail whether I was guilty or innocent.
hey wait——— i wonder if there is sawgrass where caylee was found–hmmmmmmmmm
Tim,
Left a message in the back room for you
I think George’s relatives are being smart, they know it won’t do much good to say anything about the situation.
After they initially dug up the Anthony’s back yard but came up empty when the cadaver dogs hit there… I posted that they needed to look outside the yard, but very near. I believed then that Casey put Caylee somewhere close to keep an eye on her. I think she may have moved the body, but needed to keep her close.
I believe I even stated at that time that she would have her in a place she could visit once it all blew over. In her mind, she was never going to be caught. I just had no idea my suggestion would be that accurate. It kept givng me an eerie feeling when Casey said “I know she’s close to home, I can feel it.”
kc has to be pooping her pants
I hope now that little Caylee can be put to rest. I keep her picture on our mantle to remind us of what we all have to be grateful for in our family. My children and I also take the time now to look at the missing children pictures posted at local stores. Just incase we might recognize a face.
I want to thank everyone who posts here for all your insights. This site has truly brought awareness not only in Caylee’s case, but to other missing children as well.
Casey will either get the death penalty or suffer an existence of pure hell in the general population of prison. They can’t keep her solitary for life. Whatever fate decides for her on earth, she will be be judged in Heaven.
Rest in Peace, Caylee.
ya someone posted last night and i forgot about it
remember the carved aaplle skull, pretty eeeeeeerie isnt it
i wonder if there is any sawgrass where caylee ws found
how about SAW = she decapitted her
GRASS = kc smoked pot
It has crossed my mind on a few occasions that Cindy and George both acknowledged Casey’s erratic behavior and lies prior to Casey calling from Jail. Her parents called the authorities, retrieved personal items of Casey’s as evidence, and did not welcome Casey’s calls from jail with kindness. Then Lee is doing all the calling to Casey and supporting his sister. Then Lee goes off the radar and Cindy is supporting Casey. Then George does not support Casey but supports Cindy with sitting quiet while she defends Casey’s behavior. Cindy’s shocking accusations begin around this time. The visits to Casey are noticably friendly and Casey is talking. I hope but I know this is a huge stretch that Cindy and George are using the media to get to Casey. And now that the body is found. The act will come clean.
I know, its not likely, but hey it’s late and I want to believe in some explanation for the madness.
i thought that too
ok im caught up reading for the day ! hope things end soon
After reading all of this, I have a couple of thoughts. Why would this supposed Nanny want to kill the child? She was 2 yrs old, WHY? Also, Casey starts saying “I feel she is close”,, what happened to Puerto Rico, Texas, NY, Tenn, NC? That’s not close! She is pathetic, with pathetic, enabling parents. This poor child lived with a bunch of lunatics.
These facts remain:
1) Caylee went missing 6/16/08
2) Casey reported to friends that her car smelled like a dead animal 6/25/08
3) Casey abandoned her LOCKED car 6/27/08
4) Johnson’s picked up the LOCKED car 6/30/08
5) Anthonys retrieved the LOCKED & SMELLY car 7/15/08
6) Smell of decomp was recognized in Casey’s car when it was retrieved on 7/15, which means that it was there when it was abandoned on 6/27
7) Decomp was tested at the FBI labs and Caylee’s mDNA was identified in July, 2008.
I’d like to make these points:
1) Nobody snuck a body into Casey’s car either while she was still driving it, after it was abandoned, while it was at the towyard or at any other time.
2) Zanny does not, let me repeat, DOES NOT exist.
3) Casey is a narcissistic sociopathic liar.
4) Caylee’s body was discovered .3 miles from the Anthony home, wrapped in cloth, stuffed into two garbage bags, her head and the bag were both wrapped with duct tape.
When the math is done, it all adds up.
Heinous murder of 2 year old child by mother
+ mother’s lack of caring or remorse
+ refusal to cooperate
= DP (My choice of possible sentences)
There was a smell reported coming from that area earlier on. They did search around that area. But if you have ever had to search for something and then come back to the area later, there it is in plain view. I think this was undera lot of brush and then water. So it wasn’t very evident. Also, I have had the thought that the rope and stick they found originally may have been connected to the bag with Caylee’s remains and pulley’ed into one of the trees from and underground hole…that is a retention pond area with drain pipes around it and overflow pipes. She could have even been in the drain and flushed out after TS Faye. So who knows. It actually started raining 4th of July weekend, and then it was storm after storm until TS Faye.
Why haven’t the police/authorities gotten a search warrant for Lee’s residence? I just find it odd that he has been out of the public/media eye for a long time and it just so happens that on the morning Caylee’s remains (to me it it her) were found …boom…he shows up at his parents house and the police had to stop him from going into the residence…his girlfriend had already been in the house. Why was she in there?! Were they looking for something to hide?
I agree with many posters who feel the phone records are going to be maticulously disected and it will be a huge peice of evidence in KC’s undoing.
Even if she says she used the “other” phone. If she produces a number for that other phone to prove her innocents those phone records can be obtained from her provider too.
If she sticks with the bs about switching the sim card, well–that sim card is tied to the number which belongs to the records they (LE) already has so….this phone alibi is’nt going to work.
Relax guys—they are gonna get her—
I accidently posted on another thread so here goes again. Please can anyone out there tell me what they think Cindy’s intentions were after waiting a whole month to ask Casey where Caylee was? I mean Cindy doted on this little girl who was obviously her whole life and then one day wakes up and says “Gee, we haven’t seen Caylee in a while”, and then finally gets hysterical? KC & Klee lived there didn’t they..so if KC took the kid to her “Nanny” that day (Jun 16) you’d think when she didn’t return next day Cindy’d be frantic.
Anyone????
“I have always said the Cay-Lee is that Lee is the father. That is why she never went after the supposed deceased dad for child support or social security after his death. I think that Cindy (not George) knows this and maybe she was going to blow the whistle on them both.”
I’ve thought the same thing from very early on in this case. Glad to see my theory isn’t as far-fetched as I thought.
It’s really sad when Cindy Anthony’s own brother stated he was ready to disown her because of her blind devotion to Casey and determination to impede the investigation. I think that speaks volumes when a man is ready to sever ties with his sister because he can no longer tolerate the “enabling” BS from Cindy.
I have been following this since the beginning. Has any one else noticed that Casey has never shed any actual tears since this started. She has been shown wiping her eyes and acting dramatic but no tears are ever there to be wiped. I would be sobbing hysterically. If she is as good at manipulating as they say, than she probably has her lawyer wrapped around her finger as well. As I always believe “What goes around eventually comes around”.
Does anyone know how the great-grandfather is doing that Caylee visited on Father’s Day? I’m assuming he knows Caylee is missing.
When did Caylee actually pass away? Caylee missing 6/16, abandons smelly car 6/27. Casey drove around with dead Caylee for how long?
very sad,
We love you Caylee. Please contact Nancy and tell her what Mommy did to you. If you cannot travel inter-dimensionally yet, ask one of the nice people in Heaven to show you how.
Elaine — Nice recap of timeline again! I went over it before with a Greta Link — then after reading all the interviews etc I started to get confused of who, what, when.
If lee is not caylees dad, then why the fixation with always covering up the babys eyes with all those weird sunglasses?
She definately resembled him.
The Anthony’s did a horrible job raising their kids … that’s a known fact now. Both parents, son and tots mom should pay for this. They have lied, couldn’t keep up with their stories and now supporting the alley cat that gave birth to this wonderful child that could not have done anything so bad to be killed and thrown away like gabage. I pray that Caylee has peace now and the Anthony’s never rest any day or night in their lives.
Ruth, on December 17th, 2008 at 1:22 pm Said:
I have been following this since the beginning. Has any one else noticed that Casey has never shed any actual tears since this started. She has been shown wiping her eyes and acting dramatic but no tears are ever there to be wiped. I would be sobbing hysterically. If she is as good at manipulating as they say, than she probably has her lawyer wrapped around her finger as well. As I always believe “What goes around eventually comes around”.
Karma is a bigger bitch than anyone could even imagine.
She is going to get bit, and bit back hard. I wish she would just fess up now. There are more victims to this then just the obvious, the entire neighborhood are victims too, including all the monies spent on searches…all other lost children and adults are victims, search money could have been spent there.
And wasted time in court with emergency hearings on Beaz’s account? Geez, wasting the court’s time. He is having panic attacks! He clearly stated he was afraid there will be nothing left for his team to examine…..duh, that is what the LE & FBI are doing….what ..maybe they should leave something there for the team to find? He’s acting like a jealous brat. If nothing is left at the crime scene for his team to examine that only means the law has done their job to the best of their ability, and kudos to them, this cannot be easy on all of them.
This needs to be over with now, it’s over, fess up and save needless more pain and suffering.
[...] Open Thread Nancy Grace 12/16 sorry my clock was off [...]
Many people still believe this may have been an accident, and the jury just may buy this defense.
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why? Casey was looking up chloroform, neck breaking, shovels, household tools and missing children long before Caylee went missing. This was definitely premeditation.
And another thing! If the daddy died then wouldn’t his family have wanted to know they had a beautiful little granddaughter/neice. If the Anthony’s bought the story about the daddy died in a wreck then that means they should have sought out that family. If they didn’t this tells me they are all capable of weaving a web of lies and deceit as much as the tramp. Just the fact that they ignored Caylee’s opportunity to know her father & his family tells me what sort of people they all are. Some effort should be made to acknowlege Caylee’s paternal family.
When the time comes they throw the switch to fry the tramp I think I’ll drive to the prison and watch the lights in the parking lot flicker!
why is the media now acting so ridiculous and trying to make it look like its someone else that did it?
Is really annoying to read clues that point to kc and then hear trash about irrevelant things.
how did caylees book get on the crime scene ground? not even damaged after 6 months.