ORLANDO, Fla. — The remains found near the Anthony home are similar in size and hair color to Caylee Anthony, a defense team attorney said Friday.
Linda Kenney Baden said Casey Anthony’s lead attorney, Jose Baez, got that information from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office after the remains were discovered on Thursday less than a half-mile from the Anthony home.
Baez was told “the anthropological measurements on the child for her being Caylee Anthony, that the hair color was correct, and they were proceeding as if this were little Caylee,” Baden said during a hearing on Friday over access to evidence from the remains.
Prosecutors, however, said they have not made a tentative identification of the remains, which were discovered by a utility worker about 9:30 a.m. on Thursday. In his 911 call, the worker mentions finding a skull, which WESH 2 and NBC sources said showed evidence of duct tape on the mouth.
Investigators said Friday it could take up to two weeks to positively identify the remains, but investigators said they’re almost positive it’s Caylee.
“She’s the only child of that age range that was reported missing,” said Carlos Padilla, of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. “The skull was the size and shape consistent with that of a young child, and of course it was close proximity to the residences.”
Baden’s announcement in court was one of the latest twists in the case against Casey Anthony, who is charged with killing her daughter, Caylee, sometime before she reported the 2-year-old child missing in July.
Also Friday:
- Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary said something at the crime scene where the remains could be linked to the Anthony house. Investigators removed bags of evidence from the home overnight, including three vacuum cleaners, pesticide containers and a small pillow.
- The FBI was sifting through buckets of dirt on Friday from the scene where the remains were found.
- Cindy and George Anthony returned to their east Orange County home Friday afternoon, but made no comment to the media. They left about 5:30 p.m. with their dogs, again without talking to reporters.
- Judge Stan Strickland denied a defense motion for access to the autopsy of the remains.
The remains were found about one third of a mile from the Anthony’s home on Hopespring drive. Casey Anthony stayed at the home with Caylee before Caylee went missing. (View Map)
Beary, who appeared on “The Today Show” Friday morning to discuss the discovery, said Casey Anthony is on a psychological watch at the Orange County Jail and that he thinks the remains are Caylee’s. (Watch Video)
“My gut says yes, but I have to wait seven to 14 days for the DNA analysis to absolutely make sure. Just like we always have to, we are going to be waiting for facts,” Beary said when Matt Lauer asked him if he believes the remains are Caylee’s.
During a news conference Thursday evening, Baez confirmed that Casey Anthony was upset when she found out about the remains and requested a sedative at the jail. Sources described Casey Anthony’s reaction as an anxiety attack.
After a hearing Thursday morning, Casey Anthony’s trial was pushed back until March.
Friday night, the Anthonys were not at their home because, their spokeswoman said, they’re trying to get away from everything.
Just a few blocks away, crime scene technicians in the deeply wooded area worked late into the night.
Medical Examiner: Forensic Evidence Will Be Key
Forensic evidence will be the key in determining whether the remains are Caylee.
“With the remains allegedly or reportedly being found in a closed environment, in a bag, that would preserve much of the evidence,” said Volusia County Medical Examiner Dr. Marie Herrmann.
Herrmann said that, if the remains found near the Anthony family home were in a sealed plastic bag — despite weather and time — there will be evidence to determine if the victim is indeed Caylee and likely how she died.
“The evidence of injury may reveal itself as cuts or areas of discoloration with bleeding, contusions,” Herrmann said.
And secured out of the elements, there will likely be pieces of any other foreign materials in the bag — including clothing and duct tape.
“Yes, duct tape is a good piece of evidence, as it can hold fibers, skin cells,” Herrmann said. “It could potentially match to another roll. Duct tape can retain fingerprints, latent prints that can be obtained.”
Experts will surely test for the presence of chloroform, Herrmann said, which has been significant in the investigation. The chemical can linger in remains and beyond.
“There may be some metabolites or some other changes that could be detected that could indicate that chloroform was used,” Herrmann said.
Medical and criminal investigators will work together to solve the crime.
Copyright 2008 by WESH.COM.
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Duh….
The duct tape will be the most telling….
I think so too. I have prayed for something like this, but worried it would never happen. I am so thankful to that meter reader and his call to nature.
KC’s 1st “normal” reaction from day 1, to reflect some kinda feelings, and it appears it is because she is afraid for herself. I would have an anxiety attack as well if I knew I would likely spend the rest of my life in prison.
I have a question: Why would the defense keep pushing that they think it’s Caylee because someone from the OCSO (I guess?) called and told them, the qualities as above. I would think the defense would be like, hell no it is not her? Im kind of confused on that? Could someone please explain, thank you!
i agree…… I also can’t stand to think how long she was out there, in that bag, while everyone was walking by and driving by that area…… Can you imagine being that utility worker – that poor man is going to need sedatives to be able to sleep at night. I know I would!
God Bless that meter reader and his coffee!!!!!
whit – the defense would not be smart to deny it – they are probably going to go with, the babysitter did it, so it’s no “skin off their nose” to admit that it’s her….
Whit,
Do you suppose that in the middle of KC’s OH NO! moment, that she spewed information that would incriminate her? If so, the defense would no longer be in the position of denying the murder of Caylee.
Yaaaa!! And I second the “duh” but anyways. *pops out a cork off apple soda* Party timeeee~~!!!
Krisam – I agree – and it’s most telling that this is the first time that she has reacted this way – it tells me right away that she knows it’s Caylee – and has known all along where she was!
Whit- Many have questioned that. KC did not have an anxiety attack any other time bones were found. But, I guess the defense has reasoned it is Caylee just like LE, the media, and the public has.
Whit – does any of that help?
They know. They have probably known for some time, but they most definitely know now. They may try to claim the baby was murdered by someone else, but they will no longer be able to deny that she was murdered.
Nancy~
guess you are right… so if they can pin point this back to Casey, and not some imaginary babysitter, then what will the defense do? Will the defense know the information from fingerprints and ect before trial?
my first thread since I’ve been back…. yahoo, and so sad at the same time….
Whit – that is all part of discovery – and actually, we will all probably know at the same time that Baez finds out!!! I’m convinced they will find something on that tape to tie it to Casey – so I am sure they are coming up with another strategy other than the babysitter did it….. they are probably working on that right now!
And I definitely agree about her reactions this time. She knows she is screwed. But my biggest thoughts always go back to Cindy & George… I wonder if they will ever point fingers at Casey..
Do you personally think Casey has told Baez she murdered her child, in confidential? Or do you think she has stuck to her babysitter story, which he and everyone else knows is a crock!
The defense is going to blow all the smoke they can from here on out. It’s all they have. Unless KC confessed in the middle of her anxiety attack, I don’t think she will confess unless the death penalty again becomes a threat. People like her have no rationality in their thinking, and their power of reasoning is twisted.
Well guys- Must go again, I have allowed myself to be consumed with the latest news far to much on a Saturday. I have so much to do. Ya’ll Take Care!!!!
Whit – I mentioned this on a thread last night …. I think that Cindy is facing the reality that she has known all along – she is going to be the one that is going to go after Casey now…. I really believe that – and I hope that I’m right…. as a mother, I hope that Cindy finally stands by her granddaughter when it matters most….
Very true Elaine!
However, if she confesses to her lawyer, does he have to say so?? Or can he keep that a secret!?!
I hope she does too. That would be the best thing in the world if her parents turned on her psychotic tail…
I think Bozo never wanted to know and did not ask. I also think that KC would not have given up a confession to anyone. Now things may change. We’ll have to wait to see.
there is no way that Casey confessed to Baez…….
I dont think she did either, really….
Whit – if Casey confessed to Baez, there are a ton of legal implications to that – and would tie Beaz’s hands in alot of ways…. I don’t believe she did or ever will confess
I could never ever ever ever be a defense lawyer because I would be someone like Nejame, who couldnt support someone like that. I would want to go tell that I know they did such a crime, and was not allowing to cover for them! Ugh!
I’m off too – you guys have a great day
Maybe Bozo just told Casey about where the finding was, and her reaction was enough…….
They would just look like fools if they denied this…..
I’m thanking God that there are defense attys like NeJame. I was mad at him when he appeared on NG, but he was under a lot of stress at the time, considering that he resigned from the case shortly afterwards. I like him again, and I think he is probably thinking a lot like the rest of us.
ARN- hope you’re doing well……
When you get a chance, i have a legal question……
Elaine- It would be great if KC confessed to corrections while under stress from the latest news without being questioned without Baez. This would fall under Res Jesti (sp) statement and would be admissable in court. Wonder if the same would imply if a confession happened while sedated?
Krisam,
I’m not really sure, but I always heard that anything she said while incarcerated could be used against her. Being under the influence of meds should not cause her to confess to a murder she didn’t commit.
I guess I was trying to say she confessed, and corrections were not even questioning KC, just blurted out statements, res jesti
Elaine- true- but would that be admissable. Yes, things that are said while incarcerated are admissable as long as she was not questioned, since she has lawyered up.
Don’t know if this was posted yet. It’s a little blurb from the Orlando Sentinel about Baez’s “dream team”:
“Who is paying for the star-studded defense lineup?
“I don’t think it’s any concern of anyone who is paying for all this,” Baez said after the hearing.”
I kinda feel sorry for george and cindy. wonder what she will say on her next public appearance. And im sure the will link casey to something on that duct tape. Did i hear somewhere they took some carpet out of Ants house??
I think when using prescribed drugs, in appropriate doses, she may relax and say things, but I doubt it would cause anyone to do anything they wouldn’t normally do anyway. You know what I’m saying? Prescribed doses don’t cause you to lose your ability to know right from wrong, and don’t cause hallucinations or anything that would take her away from reality.
Im still pretty shocked they would give her a$$ anything in the first place!
yeah, but just like alcohol, it will loosen the senses. I’m sure Baez once again reminded KC to sit in her cell and keep her mouth shut.
I too do not believe the defense is going to pursue the babysitter did it strategy. I think that initially it was in their plans but that is unraveling very quickly. I think they are going to try the “accidental death” defense.
Although I wish she would, I do not think that Cindy will turn on Casey. I think she will continue to defend her til her last breath. I too would love for just one of the Anthony’s to stand by Caylee but I don’t look for it to happen. Too many opportunities for them to do so have come and gone.
Whit- I know- In Texas, sorry about your bad luck.
Again, must go, really this time I am going, hehe
Yes, you are right. It would loosen her senses. I’ve been prescribed meds after surgery that give me that, who gives a shit attitude, but I never lost my touch with reality. It was just funnier…
Krisam- and thats how it should be everywhere. Geeze. I mean, kill your daughter OR (she is just missing…) … your okay with that for 6 months, someone finds her remains, and you need medicine to calm you down. PLEASE
Krisam – I’m not sure what res jesti is??? I’m in the law field, and I’m not sure what you are referring to
You have a very good point Tracy… Im really wishy washy, on my thoughts right now with the Anthony’s.
Yeah, I think they’ve got her. She was just stupid enough to make sure Caylee’s remains were preserved. Justice, sweet justice.
Nancy you were leaving! Just couldnt go could you… hehe
In my mind the greatest thing is that Caylee’s hair were still in the bag with the remains because now they can compair to the hair that was first discovered in the trunk of Casey’s car that had the death band around.
Though there were no conclusive evidence it WAS CAYLEE’S…..there will be no denying it this time after dna testing. CAYLEE’S SKELETAL REMAINS WILL BE SPEAKING FOR HER AND THE JUSTICE SHE SO DESERVES…
Yeah, if I remember correctly what had been reported, when she had heard of the news of Leonard Padilla’s divers finding what they did, she just turned and walked away from the TV and back to her cell? Because she knew that was not where she left poor little Caylee. So she didn’t even bust a bead of sweat. Exactly, now she has an “anxiety attack” and needs sedatives because she knows they’ve surely found where she so coldly dumped this poor little angel and she knows it’s all over for her now. I have prayed and prayed for God to bring to light where this precious baby was, and I will be rejoicing when they positively determine it is in fact her, but I am completely horrified to imagine what she went through in the last moments of her life. I certainly hope they pursue the death penalty in light of this discovery and possibility of premeditation depending on the evidence from it. Does anyone know how this will work? Can they pursue the death penalty even though they had recently thrown it out?
it really seems a miracle of sorts that that meter reader bothered to investigate the contents of the bag. i mean if we’re walking along somewhere, how many of us would look in an errant, cast-off garbage bag? It’s not that I don’t care, but i don’t know if it woudl occur to me to look in a garbage bag….. for example, a carpet rolled up yes.. a duffle bag …..yes… well you get my drift.
when someone is under the influence of something – prescribed or otherwise – in most cases – their statements can no be used against them…
And the hair will match… and the pillow will show the truth… and the duct tape on the baby’s mouth will shout to the heavens.
Lil yes they can
Whit – LOL…like Krisam, I shouldn’t have left it on the screen – couldn’t walk away – LMAO
Is everyone saying it’s all over for casey now b/c of the likely evidence that will be found to incriminate her? i mean, i think she did it, but finding the body doesn’t prove she did it unless there’s evidence there . I guess im asking what way will the trial likely go now if they’ve found her body?
they can bring the death penalty back on the table – but doubt they will…… I think they like their chances with Baez……
Im the same way
its ok.
I think this terrible mother will get life in prison. Hands down.
Nancy,
I just think it is a shame that they would give her drugs and then not be able to use anything she says. Se le vie, say the old folks.
twitter, don’t you know he never imagined that he would find what he did.
Last night, on one of the shows, where the meter reader found the bag was described as “a shallow grave”. Did anyone else catch that?
nancy- If someone blurts out a confession, or any statement without being questioned, it can fall under res jesti confession or statement. So, if KC made statements to corrections during a feeding or showers, etc., without questioned by a corrections, it can be used.
Whit-
In response to your earlier question:
You’re right. Normally the defense wouldn’t assert that the remains were probably the victim BUT they were pushing to get in on the autopsy. They were denied.
Whit – I’m happy with her getting life!!!
Elaine – I agree – but that is exactly why it isn’t admissible – they don’t want anyone “tricked” into saying something they otherwise wouldn’t, because their state of mind was altered….
twitter,
It is only speculation on my part, but I feel confident that there was enough evidence taken into custody to positively connect KC as the murder of her daughter.
thanks, Elaine, im still trying to get caught up
Do you mean stuff they already have or will like find now? (like soil or prints on the duct tape etc?)
Krisam – I have no idea what this res jesti is?????
You are correct – if she were to say something “excited utterance” it could be used against her – but not if she were under the influence of medication – questioned or not.
anotherwords – if she were on XANEX and took a shower and said – I can’t believe i killed my child – that could not be used against her – it’s unadmissable
murderer… sorry… I’ve got to go. I have a date with my son in the next town. Will be back sometime this evening. Bye, all!
nancy- I guess a better example would be LE showing up at a crime scene, and someone runs up and states, I killed them……….never questioned, or even read their rights, but it is admissable
i mean “inadmissible” – LOL
did you catch my Xanex reference? LOL
Not sure if this has been mentioned or not yet however I just found something interesting about Gale St. John. There is a video in which she was driving around the area and went to the area which the remains were found. She is going to be on Nance Grace on Monday it says. It says she was told by TES that the area had been searched and to leave. Here is the link if anyone is interested. I never put any faith in her until I seen this….
briansprediction.com/gale/cayleeanthonypage8.htm
the video is almost at the bottom of this page
nancy- excited utterance, AKA, Res Jesti Statement
i meant “likely” find now heh
Krisam – that is another example of “excited utterance” and yes, that is admissible……..
Does anyone find it somewhat coincidental that additional evidence sent LE straight back to the Anthony home and the very next day LE suggests that possible obstrtuction charges may be filed against the grandparents? I think there may be evidence that somehow suggests that CA and GA knew more than they told way back when.
sorry Krisam – oh…. LOL you meant RES GESTAE!!!
got ya now!!! LOL
Yes, that is excited utterance…. LMAO
does anyone recall what cindy said on the phone to the police when she initally called about caylee and she thought she was on hold? she said something telling to casey but i forgot what it was. she was being recorded as they transferred her call and apparently cindy didn’t know it was recorded
Tracy- Not sure if the source is LE, but yes, Absolutely, this is odd
Luckyandbuddy, I think they had already found items of interest in the area. The rope and stick were from the same area. I don’t know exactly what that was, but I think at some point she either had the bag tied to the end of the rope and it was like a pulley system and went through one of the drain pipes, or either she used the rope system to keep the bag under water in the nearby retention pond, but when all the rain came and the area was flooded, where they found the body was in water until a couple of weeks ago, I think the bag was somehow dislodged and deposited there, where it remained until Thursday. Because there is evidence from this area in the Nov. release of documents.
nancy- sorry about the spelling, never can remember how to spell that, always have to ask. LOL
Justice
I too like the idea of Baez as the lead attorney; but, how does adding all of these high profile, experienced attorneys affect that situation?
law words are all tough – because they are latin!!! LOL you had it phonetically, so I’m not sure why I didn’t get it – sorry!!! LOL
Krisam
don’t worry about the spelling. there’s no spell check on here.
Rest in peace sweet baby girl. I just can’t understand why. Why hurt this baby? Her mother is depraved, psychotic and a manipulative, selfish liar. She deserves the all she has coming her way. At least Caylee is with God now…
twitter–she told Casey that she’s already given her a month to produce Caylee and if Casey wanted to play it that way they could take it up with child services and Cindy would take custody of Caylee.
Dependin on how Caylee died, I believe they will bring back the DP on Casey Anhony.
Caylee’s remains were found and it shows duct tape on her mouth, gosh, poor child, I can’t imagine the horror or this action. My question is, was she still alive when she did that? God, how could a mother, how could anyone had the gumption to do such a heinous act on their own flesh and blood?
And the trash bag, I pray that Casey has her prints all over it.
nancy and zak- ty- sometimes that causes arguments on this blog, spelling. That makes me laugh, please, I am not writing a report or paper!! LOL
anothermom
Yes I read somewhere about the rope. I am wondering when this video of Gale searching was filmed like was it before the discovery of the rope or after?? lol anyway I just thought it was interesting never the less
Have a great day everyone and I just love this site…
zac – it’s certainly going to complicate things – that’s for sure… I just think that if Baez stays at the lead, and the jury isn’t looking at the death penalty – they are not going to be swayed by any tricks the defense tries to come up with. and they will need alot of them to get her out of this……
It’s difficult when death is on the table – even considering the severity of this crime, juries don’t really like to put someone to death – so a little “reasonable doubt” goes alot further than if they were only dealing with life in prison….. does that make sense?
the sole job of all those attorneys is going to be to create reasonable doubt – I’m not sure what angle they are going to take though – in any event… if they don’t have to decide whether or not to put someone to death, they will be more apt to follow the facts – and her behavior – than follow some goose chase with babysitters, accidents, etc…. that the defense will surely try to steer them in…
Krisam–you are right I don’t think it was LE but rather “sources close to the investigation”
tui- I hope the SA’s Office puts the DP back on the table, it is these type of cases that deserve such!!! Just wish they would bring back court house hangings!!!!
But, the DP should have nothing to do with reasonable doubt during the conviction stage, just sentencing. The jury can still convict with life even with the DP.
If forensics scream a terrible death, torture and pain, the SA’s Office knows the community will want the DP considered. But, so many of our famous women killers have escaped the DP and are serving life.
Krisam – it would, not during the conviction stage – but during the trial stage………. the jury would be told what she is being charged with – and of course they are supposed to disregard what the sentence would be – but with the Sunshine Law – there is no way that is possible.
Florida officials know this – and I think that is why they pulled it.
Justice…isn’t there some law in Fl. that prevents Baez from being lead, he hasn’t had the trial experience before.
Justice, what is the “Sunshine” law?
We just had a DP case in CA where the defendant pled quilty and the defense focused solely on the sentencing phase.
Wonder if that will happen here.
he can only take the lead if DP is off the table – otherwise, he would have to bring in an attorney with DP experience, and that would bump him from the lead….
sunshine law – is florida’s information act……… much looser than most states…..
OK -I really have to go now… I mean it this time!! LOL
gotcha, thanks….I appreciate your knowledge in this, sure helps when it comes to sorting out the what-ifs!
Justice- Take Care!!!! I am going as well, so BBL and Everybody Take Care!!!!!
Nancy–Better close this site or we’ll see you in a minute.
twitter – I think Cindy asked Casey “is that how you want to play it?” and Casey said “no, that’s not how I want to play” or something like that – Casey wanted one more day to produce Caylee and Cindy said no, she couldn’t have one more day, she’d had a month.
Again I say i pray that the duct tape has KC fingerprints!
I wish we could use some special effects and create ghostly images for Casey in her cell, maybe that will provide her with a reality check. What she did to Caylee was horrible and her soul must have been so tormented. I dont believe in ghosts and spirits but boy Id love to see Casey’s reaction to something like that in her cell.
Did i hear somewhere they cut and took some carpet out Ants house??
Justice
At this point these attorneys are either being highly paid OR are in it for notoriety, which they already have; in fact they all have built excellent bios, So what happens if the evidence becomes overwhelmingly guilty and horrendous—- to where they are stuck with defense explanations. Do these attorneys ever go off the case because they know they cannot win?
I found this and thought it was interesting:
Women on Death Row – Kenisha Berry
Crime Committed:
On November 29, 1998, in Jefferson County, Texas, Berry placed duct tape across the body and mouth of her 4 day old son, placed him in a black plastic trash bag and left his body in a trash dumpster, resulting in his death.
Source: Texas Department of Criminal Justice
Oops, I got a comment awaiting moderation too. Here it is without the url:
Whoa you guys were right, Casey is sticking to her babysitter story.
“For months, Florida mother Casey Anthony, 22, has blamed her daughter Caylee’s disappearance on a baby sitter, and Anthony’s lawyers apparently are sticking with that story in planning her criminal defense — even though they expect police to confirm that skeletal remains found Thursday are those of girl.
“”If this is Caylee Anthony, that doesn’t mean Casey Anthony did anything to that child,” Todd Black, a spokesman for Anthony’s lead attorney, told FOXNews.com on Saturday. “That doesn’t determine who or what caused the child’s death.””
That is from Fox News today.
This is my first post, Is this the same area George was spotted standing looking into the woods a few weeks ago? Thanks
What video of Gale searching? i missed this……
laga i dont think so
I WANT TO GIVE THAT METER READER A BIG HUG AND KISS. XXXXOOOOOO. HE WILL BE ON THE TODAY SHOW AFTER THEY I.D HER
The Meter Reader is an American Hero-bless him!
Cindy said that there was only one photo of Casey partying after Caylee went missing, is this true? What about the no clothes party, wasnt that after?
Yes Lemon, the ABC party but July 4th
Was July 4th
Lemon and CABriana ~ No, the ABC party was in May, before Caylee went missing. Casey wore just an American flag to it, but it occurred in May
Oh my..new thread..defense is saying the nanny did it! LOL
so how many photos are there of Casey partying after Caylee went missing?
I think just the ones of her partying at Fusion Night Club in that blue dress and black go go boots she was wearing. If I’m not mistaken, all reports have those pics positively identified as being after Caylee went missing but before Cindy had located Casey and placed the 911 calls reporting Caylee missing.
I hope they dig up the whole backyard and find the 2 cocker spaniels that died within a short time of each other. THey too probably had broken necks…….
Cindy even made excuses for Casey and those party pics..saying she was being paid to do them for promo event blah blah..So many excuses..I dont know Cindy keeps track of them all
Zak, I always wonder that too. I know that everyone is entitled to a good defense, but sometimes I wonder how these attorneys sleep at night (other than 700 thread count sheets, down pillows, and lavender-infused sleep masks–you know, the lap of luxury), and if they would pull out if their involvement cut a truly demented individual loose into the general public.
eli, on December 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm Said:
Cindy even made excuses for Casey and those party pics..saying she was being paid to do them for promo event blah blah..So many excuses..I dont know Cindy keeps track of them all
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Yeah, ’cause you know the show has to go on, even if there are missing babies involved. Please excuse me while I empty my stomach.
The meter reader, thank heavens for him, was not an accident. He was there at the right time at the right spot.
God has ways to prove that Little Caylee was never alone as He was watching Her throught this horrible ordeal the she was put through for no good reason.
Caylee was calling for someone to come and rescue Her from that horrible place and God sent the person he chose to be the ONE,……all along I said if Caylee’s remains were ever discovered, it won’t be by any search party or LP and his people…..but by someone that will accidently stumble upon Her….
All the prayer’s and wishes for her to be found and brought home to a respectful burial has been answered and am in peace that it has come to pass.
I would like to know How I can send flower’s to be put on her resting place, if someone knows, give me some information in regards to that….God bless Little Angel Caylee!!
Anybody notice this little idiosyncrasy in OCSO spokesman Carlos Padilla’s statement above: “The skull was the size and shape consistent with that of a young child, and of course it was [in] close proximity to the residences.” Did you catch the fact that he said “residences” in the plural?
We saw investigators rush to George and Cindy’s house to conduct another search, but did anyone have an eye on *Lee’s* residence? Has anyone taken any special notice that the location of the remains is also in close proximity to Lee’s place on Eaglefeather Drive, also less than half a mile away? My conjecture is that when Padilla said “residences” he had Lee’s place in mind, not other residences in the neighborhood, which would add no probative value to proximity to the discovery site. Anybody with me on this?
Tim- I agree, but why has a search warrant not been served at Lee’s residence? The evidence found must be a direct link to CA and GA’s home. However, I have always wondered why LE did not search Lee’s residence. I guess the investigation did not lead them there, or not enough probable cause. So, again, the evidence found must be a strong link to CA and GA’s residence, or I would gather both residences would have been searched. However, good catch, I did not notice that residences was plural.
One other observation here:
Note that the defense concedes that *hair* matching the general description of Caylee’s hair was found with the remains. This, in my opinion, is a crucial element of evidence of which we can be pretty certain that investigators will be following up. We may not know for quite some time exactly what the nature of the evidence concerning the remains is — despite reports by major network affiliates that there was tape over the mouth of the decedent, Sheriff Beary stopped short of confirming this to reporters. We don’t know yet what kind of evidence may have been found with the remains that drove investigators so quickly to the Anthony home, nor do we know what other properties may have been recovered at the scene along with the remains. And remember, if it is called for, investigators are even within their rights to deceive or mislead about the state of the evidence in order to prosecute a suspect.
But considering the source of this information on hair, I think we can be virtually certain that hair was recovered with the remains, and that’s a good thing, because it may make DNA identification of the body easier than having to deal strictly with bones; and it could also indicate the possibility of soft tissue recovery, which could help in determining cause and manner of death. Let’s hope and pray that is the case.
Krisam:
*Do* we know for a fact that a warrant was not issued and a search conducted of Lee’s residence, with all the hoopla surrounding the search of George and Cindy’s house?
By the way, we would expect that sometime soon a public information request under the Sunshine Law may be made by the media for the search warrant for the Anthony home; other warrants have become public information not that long after their service. Perhaps the answer to my question will appear soon as the result of this type of request.
Tim- I would gather the media would not have missed Lee’s home being searched. And, I would think a neighbor would tip that off. Also, once search warrants are served and the “return” is filed with the issuing courts, a search warrant is always public record. So, yes, we will know soon what evidence was taken from the Anthony home. At least in Texas all warrants are public record once served.
Good Morning!
I defintely think we would have know if Lee’s house was searched. The media would have been all over it like bees to honey.
FLMom- I agree, the media and public would know if Lee’s home was searched. The evidence found with Caylee must be a strong link to the Anthony home.
One would tend and hope to think you’re right about the media not missing a search of Lee’s place. But keep this in mind: the media was expecting to be at the Anthony house anyway because Cindy and George were expected to return from their California junket. And they missed the fact that they would be prevented from swarming George and Cindy on their driveway because the Anthony home was turned into a crime scene because of its link to the site of remains discovery. Reporters should have been on scene at the courthouse to track the legal paperwork being generated, and my guess is that they did pick up on this there, but who knows what they could have missed at that end of their reportage with all the other aspects of the case drawing so much attention. Again I would tend to think you’re right. But we’ll see.
Hasn’t a visit video of Lee and KC not been released? I thought I heard there was one not released of Lee strongly confronting KC about the “facts”. Then Lee went MIA. I am wondering what Lee found out and if he is disgusted with CA, GA, and KC.
Kind of funny that the defense kept saying that it wasn’t Caylee in the trunk, despite the hair samples.
And now, they are saying that the remains are that of Caylee based on hair (okay, and size of bones). Just to suit their purpose.
In all honesty, I don’t see how defense experts can say that they have never been denied access to an autopsy. How many time have the requested access? How many times is an autopsy performed long before the suspect is arrested or even found?
I wonder if KC will have to throw her hands up and say yes, she killed Caylee. If the evidence becomes so overwhelming, like when KC finally admitted to not working at Universal. Then, what would be the defense stradegy. I could only think it would be a mental disorder and a plea. Oh how this will play out to the end. It is so sad!!!!
I like how Koby is ok with Caylee’s remains being identified with the same DNA testing that was used on the hair sample. But, Koby was not ok with the DNA testing on the hair found in the trunk with the band of death. Why is it different Koby????
I just hope that all the pieces fit together, and that SA can show, beyond a doubt that it was Caylee’s body in the trunk, and the Casey did indeed murder Caylee is cold blood.
Her attorney had already established that she had sole possession of the vehicle… so I don’t know how on earth they (the defense) is going to explain that!
When Susan Smith was arrested, her husband came and visited her in jail. That was the last time her husband met with her. Susan inquired to what condition the boys remains were in. I hope KC has nightmares about how Caylee’s remains have decomposed to. I hope if there is a trial, she looks at those pictures, and suffers with nightmares while spending life in prison.
I feel that there is yet another twist forthcoming… just have to wait and see!
I’m thinking she didn’t act alone, but can’t quite figure out who helped her.
FLMom- I remember that, during a hearing Baez stated that KC had sole care and custody of that vehicle in order to establish his rights to view the vehicle. Baez’ co-workers had a suprise look on their faces when Baez stated that. Good memory FLMom!!!!
But, remember CA’s reaction to that. Someone came and put a dead body in the trunk while at the tow yard. I guess CA will argue that the nanny went to the tow yard, put Caylee in the trunk and then returned a couple of days later and removed Caylee’s body and then dumped her near the Anthony home. Yes, that is what kidnappers do. They risk being exposed carrying around dead bodies to frame other people.
Ya’ll know Baez has inquired from KC if there is any chance her prints or DNA will be on the evidence from the crime scene. Wonder what KC has advised. What stupid story she is feeding Baez now. KC may state that she sometimes helped ZG with the trash. Or, ZG must have obtained the bag and tape from the Anthony home. I am sure KC’s sedated mind is in overdrive!!!!
I think a lot of the actions of Baez are coming to come back and bite him in the butt like a rabid chihuahua.
Also, remember, Casey’s claim of the phone call the day that she was arrested, and all the times that CA & GA said they new who had Caylee and where she was… that’s going to come back and bite them in the butt like a rabid yorkie!
I’m sure that LE checked for prints on the trunk, and whether or not the trunk had been busted into.
My other question is: does LE know who the father is?
I’d put money on it that CA got her Yorkies from W. Wery, the lady that reported seeing Caylee at the airport, but I’m sure LE knows that if so……. Does anyone know if George and Cindy are back home or are they going to be living at the Ritz for a little while?
I have never spent $100 per meal while dining out. I guess my husband and I are simple folks, and a fancy dinner for us is about 40-50 dollars per meal. I have heard the theory on the yorkie lady, that would certainly bite them in the @ss!!! I don’t know if it will ever really be relevant who the father is. If LE allows it to stay determined that Caylee’s father is deceased, it further removes reasonable doubt that the father played a role in this.
don’t know… but I’m glad they aren’t talking about how it’s not Caylee and LE’s been wrong before… which is what Baez was saying Thursday!
They were at the hotel Friday, night… don’t know about last night.
Probably still there.
Good morning everyone….I just want ya’ll to know that since I have discovered this blog my house is a wreck, I will be out of clean clothes in 2 more days, and my 3 year old little boy may have to start eating PB&J if I don’t go to the grocery store! LOL…
But back to business, Tim, do you believe there may be a link involving Lee’s house and KC from the night of the fight and he is pissed that he was involved, when maybe he really wasn’t?
Yorkie lady? Never heard that theory…
I was discussing the high priced hotel and meal on another thread last night and et informed me that someone else paid for their room and meal. When I told them I wasn’t aware of that and asked who paid for it. Et told me that they weren’t at liberty to give me that information. There is lots of new faces on the site lately but I think sometimes people with inside knowledge of things show up too and let things slip before they realize what they have said……JMO
jettx – I folded two loads of clothes yesterday, while sitting at the computer.. It only takes a few moment to get the load started…
I don’t think your son would complain about the PBJ. My daughter sure doesn’t!
jettx- I have also allowed this case and site to consume much of my time. It is a little sad. My dishes need to be cleaned, but, here I am!!!
FLMom- Good multi tasker!!!
Lee didn’t want a poly… maybe he does have a role to play in this..
FLMomOf2, the Wery lady was a breeder for Yorkies. I guess maybe she thought if she helped them out they just might purchase more Yorkies….those are very pricey dogs. I have always questioned her testimony, because she knew that Caylee pronounced her last name Antny. For one, if I was a kidnapper, I’d definitely not want strangers talking to the child. That story has always sounded thin to me.
I may have to try the computer-chair-folding-method! hahaha….I don’t know the yorkie story either…but I had not paid much attention to anything that was considered a “sighting” because I have thought from the get-go that KC was the culprit. And then all the forensics started backing it up….nuts, just nuts…all of the Ants.
IMO…..Lee is NOT innocent in all this!
The yorkies ladies’ story has always been thin. What airline and flight, oh, can’t remember!!!! No child of that age on any flight. Also, those people that have been calling in sightings should be ashamed of themselves!!! Placing false hope with the Anthonys’. Perhaps some sightings were honest, but I doubt it. I just keep thinking of the odds of anyone else finding Caylee. Again, God Bless that meter reader and his coffee!!!!
Jan, I kind of remember that now. I didn’t know that she was a yorkie “breeder”, how did she know that Caylee pronounced her name Antny? Did she know them before or did CA mention that somewhere, sometime, in all of her blabbing?
Which sighting was it that the lady with the little girl “told” the person to which they were talking that the little girl was “trying to tell them that her name was Caylee Marie Anthony”….does anyone remember that. So the question is, why in the world if you had kidnapped a child would you let them tell someone their name and then interpret for them when they couldn’t understand what the child was saying?
If evidence starts piling up on KC, what do ya’ll think the odds are that she will start pointing fingers at her family? I believe KC murdered Caylee alone. But, I also feel that one or more other Anthony may have played a role in covering the murder!!! I can see KC now pinning the murder on one of the Anthonys’.
jettx- Noone would, and that sighting at the airport has been ruled out by LE, airline flight logs, and video.
I think the connection with Lee is possibly from the night of the fight…I wonder if maybe KC went there after she and Cindy argued…or said she did… and then that’s what messes up GA’s story about them leaving on that morning of the 16th…that may also be why Lee is mad…I would imagine he is so pissed because of the all the years of this going on with KC and him having to watch and take up the slack….he should be sick and tired of it and I wonder if maybe he won’t be the one that throws KC under the bus!
jettx- We can all hope that ONE Anthony stands alone and says enough!!!!
Krisam, I mentioned that the other day, and somebody told me basically not to give KC any ideas.
jettx…..it was the Wery lady at the airport. That’s why I think that siting is bogus……It was something that was set up IMO because the Anthony’s already knew about the trip to PR the friends took and IMO the cover up began before the 911 call was made by Cindy!
FLMom- I understand, but good liars will always think out all possible plans. But, if KC starts pointing the fingers, they would have to fight back. I stated a couple of weeks ago that I thought the stress would start getting to them and they would start pointing fingers. Now the stress level has increased even further.
FLMom- Big brothers!!! I have a big brother and he kept me in alot of trouble!! hehe
Does LE have records of Cindy’s cell phone calls? I like to know when and if she had recently made any calls to Ms. Wery about ……… more Yorkies. Cindy sounded a little desparate in the 911 call about the smell of death in the car. I would have been a basket case and would not have been able to speak. IMO she had to make the call for it to be a plausible kidnapping case, just part of the whole cover up. JMO
One of the analysts said Casey like a hurt, caged animal right now.
Hurt and caged animals usually bite the hand that feeds them. So, I’m just waiting for her to show her true colors and implicate a family member…
I would bet you have hit the nail on the head about the cover-up!
This is the most bizarre bunch I have ever seen! Lee may be acting normally, or as normal as he can for the genetics, and we just don’t recognize it because the rest of them are so strange. Can anyone think of one case, ever, that is even remotely similar to this? I think about the Mark Hacking case where he had told his wife all the lies about going to med school and his jobs and all kinds of stuff, but when she started wising up, he killed her…that’s what KC wanted to do to CA, but substituted Caylee instead!
jettx, I honestly think that was coming too. I believe Crazy had problems since the birth of Caylee (which she didn’t want) and the drug use Xanax and Estacy caused her to have psychotic episodes……JMO…….Crazy and Amy were about to move into her parents house, according to Amy’s testimony. What was Crazy’s big plan, do you think?
jettx- I can’t recall a similar case, and pobably never will again in my life time. This case, the investigation, forensics of this case will always be unique.
Goodmorning All~
When LE first brought the dogs to the Anthony’s house, the dogs hit on the car as well as 2 areas in the backyard. However, no body was found there so they started searching elsewhere. But now with whatever evidence they found with the body, they are rethinking just how this crime went down.
I have always believed that what tipped Casey over the edge was the last fight that she had with Cindy. The following day she took off with Caylee, backpacks in hand (according to George). However, even that can not really be confirmed because we certainly now know that George can lie as well as the rest of the Anthonys. But lets suppose that George did tell the truth this time. Casey would come back to the house after she knew George went to work and I believe she did the same thing on this day. Casey killed Caylee at the house, bagged her up, and placed her in the trunk. Not knowing what to do next, she drove around for days with Caylee in the trunk. This would account for the car smell. When it was obvious to Casey that the car was stinking, she decided to dump poor Caylee’s body. I think that is when she came back to borrow the shovel from the neighbor. Then, as she was leaving, she drove less than 40 seconds away and finally took Caylee out of the car and into the woods. Unfortunately, by this time, even removing Caylee from the car did not remove the smell. It was at this point she decided to ditch the car and began to hatch her story.
I have never believed Caylee died because of an accident at the pool or even died from a Casey inflected drug overdose. Although, I certainly believe that Casey had drugged Caylee many times so she could be free to party. I have always thought that Casey felt her gig was finally up with Cindy and that Cindy was moving to have Caylee taken from her. Caylee was, unfortunately, Casey’s only meal ticket and leverage with Cindy. Being the self admitted spiteful person she was, she did not even want Cindy to have Caylee. It is a very simple motive in a very complex set of circumstances.
I think Casey plan from then on was to finally be free from Cindy & Casey and go about her life, whcih was exactly what she did. Had it not been for Cindy finding her, we never would have known that Caylee was missing.
The dream team can argue the chain of custody and place the evidence on trial, but I do not think she will get off.
JMO
I hope you are spot on Jody!
Heard last nite that the Anthony’s finally gave their fingerprints to LE. I think it is time they all took lie detector tests as well. Don’t think they had anything to do with killing Caylee, but they certainly know more, after-the-fact, than they have been saying.
There was a case in 1985 where a 14 year old was manipulated by her father to kill her step-mother. The father had and $800000 insurance policy on the step-mother. He was convicted in 1990
What if….we all know that CA is a nurse, and both she and GA are admitted “clean freaks”, what if what they found on the duct tape was a piece of a latex glove, or a whole glove in the bag? KC would have probably thought of that, she is way to pristine to get dirty and probably thought if she used a glove there would be no way to trace her….just a thought.
Flmom, was that the case in Calif. and he was a software designer, he was one that invented the retrieval methods for computers that had been severely damaged?
Jody!
You are spot on!! That is the BEST possible scenario I have seen. I think when the prosecutor lays out the story it will very close if not exactly like that!
Kudos!
A couple of problems with Jody’s theory. 1st, why did the cadavor dogs alert in the back yard. 2nd, the neighbor advised KC borrowed the shovel on the 18th. But, I concur with perhaps Caylee being murdered at the residence, and there is no doubt Caylee was in the trunk for several days.
Krisam, when did the gas can thing happen? Didn’t GA find the missing gas cans in KC’s car around the same time? I don’t know the timeline on this…..
Krisam…….the part about George seeing them the morning of the 16th is a lie. I think Crazy left home in a fit of rage on the night of the fight with Caylee………..IMO
jettx- I think the gas cans were reported on June 24th, could be wrong. Jan, I agree, I can’t remember back one month proof positive of when and where all my family members were and what they were wearing.
My last post sounded like I said ….the fight with Caylee, but I meant she left with Caylee the night of the BIG fight. My mind is going so fast my hands can’t keep up. Bear with me!
Well Casey may have had Caylee out in the backyard, or maybe just something that was with the decomposing bady, bags, blanket, etc. She may have gone to check on the dumping grounds a few times making sure it wasn’t easily scene. she may have even moved the body more than once? I mean there was that stick with a rope on it, maybe that was used to move the bag? I still think Jody’s main points work very well. I am wondering how quickly in summer heat would a body start to decompose, and I’ve heard it’s worse when enclosed in plastic. I’ve also heard it’s near impossible to get rid of the smell.
Krisam~I think she killed her in the backyard because she did not want to leave any trace of her act in the house. The dogs hit on the backyard and the trunk because that is where she was killed and that is where she was placed after the fact. But, we will never know for sure exactly how it all went down because Casey certainly will never say. But one thing is for sure.
CASEY DID IT.
jettx, um, not sure about what the dad did for a living in that case. The girl’s name is Cinnamon Brown.
Casey could have set the body down in the back yard, thinking she would bury Caylee in the backyard, borrowed the shovel… and then decided it was too much work or the body might be found, and put the body back in the trunk, and drove down the street.
Jan, I read it right and I agree. Ga and CA don’t even know when they last saw her, rremeber they all agreed it was June 9th until LE found the video from Father’s Day.
FlaMom that is the case, you are both talking about the same one in Orange County CA, and then the dad married his wife’s younger sister who had been molesting since she was 5.
Ann Rule wrote a book about it, “If You Really Love Me”.
Jody- I agree KC did it. Caylee being murdered in the back yard is a good explaination and reason the dogs would alert there. What do you think about the shovel. do you concur with FLMom?
I just remember bits of the tv-movie that was based on that case. Poor kid.
keep in mind there was not dna evidence or anything on the shovel.. and she only had it for an hour..
Krisam~As for the shovel . . . I think that Casey borrowed the shovel because she thought about burying her somewhere. She must have been think many ways to get rid of the body and that was just one way. But even that was too much effort for lazy Casey. She just tossed her into the woods (and perhaps threw some dirt over her) on her way out of “Dodge”
FLMom- Agreed about the shovel, but she borrowed it for a reason and not because she wanted to work on the backyard. There is a reasonable answer for the shovel that involves Caylee’s murder.
Jody- Yes, it is so sad. KC dumped Caylee like a bag of trash. That should be the new t-shirt theme!!!!! Let’s buy some for CA and GA!!!!!
Good morning everyone.
I just wanted to remind everyone that “Dr.” Henry Lee is NOT a pathologist or a medical doctor. His M.S. and Ph.D. degrees are in biochemistry. His education in forensic science is limited to a B.S. The rest of his big titles are honorary, NOT academic, degrees.
Definition:
Honorary degree: Usually a degree that is conferred as a way of honoring a distinguished visitor’s contributions to a specific field, or to society in general. The university often derives benefits by association with the person in question.
Dr. Henry Lee considers himself an expert in blood splatter evidence. I don’t know if there will be any blood evidence in Caylee’s case.
In the Michael Peterson case the jury dismissed his testimony because they thought he came across as a hired hand.
In the Phil Spector case the judge admonished him for not being credible, i.e. that he hid evidence from the prosecution.
I wonder if LE has evidence to charge them for accessory after the fact?
I’m sure that won’t come down the line until after the trial though. The SA needs George’s testimony.
If George ever wanted to get rid of Cindy, nows the time for him to speak up and tell LE that she covered up the entire thing.
Sarah ll – Thank you, I was not aware of that. I thought Dr. Lee was a PhD in Forensic Science. Very interesting!
FLMomOf2, maybe the shovel was for knocking the lock off the shed so that she could get something from there. The shed has a huge focus in alot of the searches. I think something that was missing from the shed was found with Caylee. I think George is a liar too, but thank God in all his statements there is a bit of truth in his lies too. The whole family really seems to have the same personalities and unless Lee is someone elses child I don’t think he’s escaped unharmed in his personality traits either…..He has involvement I’m just not sure to what extent. Why do people remove memorials? If my mother told me to do such a thing that had been made for my posssibly dead neice I would have politely told her if she wanted them removed from the yard then she’d need to do that herself. Every person in that family have some involvement in the whole cover up, even if it’s nothing but knowing she was dead and trying to save Crazy.
What happens in the darkness will always be brought to light!
CABriana – Dr. Lee’s dream might be to earn a Ph.D. in Forensic Science someday, that’s probably why he’s part of the “dream team”. LOL
BS degree… Bull S***
FLMomOf2~its a hard one to call for LE. Sure bet they would love to throw the lot of them in jail but they have to way and measure the “cost” of charging them with the probable outcry from some people who only see the Anthony’s as victims in all this. Plus, they will most certainly want to call George to the stand and if he is charged in another case, he will take the 5th and the testimony they need from him will not go on the record.
However, depending on the evidence they found at the Anthony home being tied to the body, LE may have some leverage to get the Anthonys to start cooperating finally. The Anthonys have just given their fingerprints to LE yesterday, so now that Caylee has been found they maybe more apt to do so
That’s right FLMom. Bull poo poo. LOL
Piled higher and Deeper
Just a thought-
Is it not crazy that a 22 year old girl, who never finished HS, could not hold down a job, who did not work to support herself or her daughter, who is a lair & thief, has held this country hostage for 6 months and counting? Is it not crazy that this 22 year old girl has amassed some of the most expensive lawyers and experts to handle her case? Is it not crazy that this 22 year old girl has been able to obtain and maintain the loyalty of her parents after everything?
Life is very strange!
Okay this will probably take me a while to explain but I think Crazy had been controlled by Cindy her whole life and therefore Crazy probably thought Cindy was a very smart person because they think ALOT alike. We know now that Cindy is going to stand behind Crazy even if she give the child to someone who took her. Therefore, I tend to believe that Crazy told Cindy much sooner that someone took her and Cindy knowing Crazy’s past kicked into cover up mode at that point. We already seen how Cindy in wired. I’m not sure at what point Crazy finally told Cindy this made up bullshit story but it was before the night of the 911 call about the damn dead body. Hence, the rather calm 911 about the body when in fact just hours before that you had found your daughters car with that smell and you already knew your daughter was okay…….Hence, the 30 minutes calls between Cindy and Crazy everyday while Crazy and Caylee were both missing. Could Cindy have been on the phone all those days for that many minutes with Crazy without discussing Caylee and making Crazy mad and hang up one her. Therefore, Cindy had to be saying things Crazy wanted to hear I can’t believe Crazy would have listened to her mother go on and on about where’s Caylee and not hang up the phone. What does anyone think??? Possible???
Caylee is the one reason that we are focused on this.
If Caylee was reported missing in the beginning, do you really think there would be all of this attention?
Was anything that Lee told LE about the conversation he and Casey had true? Or did they utilize that time to concoct the Nanny story?
FLMomOf2……I really don’t know what to make of everything. I’m all off on one tangent one day and then I have an aha moment and I’m off on another. I just wonder of all the many different thins that have run through my mind…….what will actually be the AHA moment?
Jody – I don’t think it’s her so much as what she did. Her heinous crime is and has been globally sensationalized. Everyone wants to be associated with this case because of the publicity, the money, etc. Her parents feel guilty for what happened and are trying to cover it up more for them than for her. I’m sure Cindy knows that if Monster goes free, she will be back at her house lying, steeling, mooching, and terrorizing them again. I’m not sure she wants that again. Once the sensationalism with this case is over, it will be party over and everyone will go home, dream team and all.
Jody and Jan, how very insightful!!
Oops, meant ’stealing’.
Jan & FLMomOf2~
This case is sooooo crazy, anything is possible. But I think that during the 30+ days Casey and Caylee were out of the house, Cindy did keep in touch with Casey and Casey did put off her talking to Caylee with a number of excuses. I think Cindy just wanted to get her hands on Caylee first before she would question Casey hard. So she allowed herself to be put off. But then the car and the smell and the police came. I think Lee and Cindy were told more that night than they have admitted. I think they were told even more after that. I think Lee finally saw the truth and that is why he has be AWOL. But Cindy remains trying to salvage her daughter.
Sarah II~Yes I am sure that Cindy feels guilty
Update LIve at the scene, in the next 10 minutes… mounting evidence in the Caylee Anthony mystery……….NSNBC for those on the east coast with directv channel 360………..The one that carries Geraldo and Greta…………FYI
Sarah II, on December 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am Said:
Oops, meant ’stealing’.
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According to George, Casey does not steal, she borrows (per the jailhouse videos) LOL
Going to watch the update and take a shower…..got things too do, but hard to tear myself away from this. It’s just soooooo unimagineable to me!
She doesn’t lie either………she just tells half truths……LOL
I have just come to realize that I can only rely on the physical proof. Do we even know how long Casey had been away from Cindy? She was in and out of the house during those 31 days.
I don’t think George has lied, but I don’t think he has been completely forthcoming.
Cindy’s denies the BIGfight, neighbor’s heard said fight (which night was it that the neigbor heard it?) Cindy had contact with Casey on an almost daily basis, and Cindy and George had been the primary care takers of Caylee. It’s not making sense to me… if Ca & GA had been the primary caretakers this whole time, why didn’t CA call 911 before and express her concerns..
Something happened that night, and the family, or at least part of the family knows the truth and is covering it up.
Did Casey maybe try to kill Cindy that night and Caylee was in the way, or was Caylee a “practice” for killing Cindy later? Something is not making sense to me in this case, and I can’t quite figure out what or who. Was Casey a pawn by her parents in a plan to get a book deal..and the whole family was in on this? Money is a powerful motivator, especially when you are on the brink of bankruptcy.
Jody – LOL!
I guess George will also say that Monster does not “murder”, she “sedates”.
more evidence?
anyone know if they are going to be streaming live?
FLMom – In the first set of released discovery documents, Amy tells detectives in an interview that Monster was going to buy her parents home and her parents were going to move away. Monster told Amy she had lots of money in the bank to do this. Amy and Monster had already agreed and made plans to move into C&G’s house after Monster bought the house from them.
So it is possible that Monster got rid of Caylee first, then was planning on getting rid of her parents too. Who knows.
i can’t watch anything… kids are watching tv. I really don’t want them to be upset. My 3 year old wouldnt understand, but my 7 year old… he would be a mess.
He might have seen part of NG the other night… I caught him up and messing in the kitchen at 10:30 the other night.
on CFNews13’s Minute to Minute – Michelle Bart is saying that the Anthony’s are stating that the discovery is suspicious because the area has been searched before…. Grasping at straws..
Maybe Lee planted the bag there!
Okay, I’m disappointed they were live on the scene but no new news………sorry false alarm. I waited to get my shower to hear it too……..
jettx:
Just got back in from pretty much a whole day’s worth of worship services and Christmas shopping, but saw your comment and question about Lee.
I don’t believe we have much in the way of hard evidence — yet — tying Lee into anything sinister, although there seems to be at least a possibility that Lee may have tampered with computer evidence even as he was actually helping investigators with it. But it’s quite plausible that one of the first places Casey would have gone if she took off from her parents’ house upset from a verbal and/or physical altercation on the evening of June 15 would have been Lee’s place right up the road. If that could be borne out, it would make Lee a pivotal figure in the investigation because of his ability to observe Casey’s demeanor and her activity right before many think Caylee may have gone missing or was killed.
My question is whether investigators have pressed Lee hard enough for information, or have been able to develop probable cause to search his house. George and Cindy gave law enforcement permission to search their place early on, which makes sense because it was where Casey and Caylee had been staying up until just weeks before, but it may never have been thought necessary to go over Lee’s place with a fine tooth comb. If that could be done now, it is not impossible that something could link up to the crime scene — which might not implicate Lee directly, but could provide information on the nature of the crime or the manner of Caylee’s death.
Of course it’s not impossible that something more directly pointing to Lee as an accomplice or accessory after the fact could be found in connection with the forensic evidence at the remains scene; in fact, it seems logical to me that investigators ought to exclude Lee from any possible collusion with Casey either before or after Caylee’s disappearance. This may not sound like much of anything that specific, but it’s basic investigation that seems like it ought to be carried out.
Hello:
I found this blog while searching through another horrible case and could not help myself read through the whole thing.
Primarily as a mother, that remains in disbelief as stories of this nature continue to occur in society, all the while knowing it is real. Secondly as a psychologist, viewing all of the suspicions and conclusions that this audience has drawn from the limited information that is known to be factual, as I believe you are all doing great detective work yourself!
And last as a citizen, that views “our” the American justice system as being nothing more than a political arena that employs many criminals, while denying, law abiding American citizens their true constitutional rights.
As a mother this type of news makes my heart heavy. It is unthinkable to to me that anyone could take the life of another; but, to take the life of your own child, a babe that grew in your womb, is close to impossible unless you are evil. More so when you realize that this young child was totally defenseless.
As a psychologist the behaviors that many of you have already noted are on the money; and, my thoughts follow. Cindy definately knew that the child was dead long before she made the call to 911 in a “supposed” attempt to save the child. If you will notice, the first call she made was in an effort to get assistance at the police department that was closed, indicating that she had a criminal with her. I beleive she said that they had committed grand larceny but I could be wrong. Then as her second and third calls are made her mood elevates (excitement via anxiety). The anxiety presents because her very rehearsed plan did not go as anticipated. This made her nervous and she had to be guarded so that she didn’t say the wrong thing.
If she had been unaware of the truth regarding the whereabouts of her grand daughter she would have been hysterical and had no purpose for being dishonest to begin with. She would not have cared what she said or to whom as long as her grand daughter were returned.
She wasn’t trying to help the baby, she was trying to bring the entire episode and all of its events to a close so that she could breath easier. She isn’t trying to protect her daughter either though it may appear that she is. She is trying to preserve her own self worth. She knows the baby is dead and can’t live with herself. She feels guilty for betraying the baby, (though she is not the one that harmed the child she has not informed the authorities of the facts that she knows). And, though she is not a criminal “so to speak” and believes that criminals should be dealt with accordingly, she is aware that she will lose her own daughter if she turns her in. With this she compensates reality and “turns” her daughter in by providing a fabricated story to officials. Doing this allows her to believe that she has maintained her status as a “law abiding moral citizen”. Realizing that the baby is dead opens the door for her irrational thoughts to continue. With her mind realizing that the child can never come back, she convinces herself that there is no purpose in her child going to prison for murder. After all, two injustices don’t make another right.
As a US citizen, I believe that it is a shame that our criminal justice system serves the criminal far more than the victim. Look at death row … Now look at the number of young children and aged people in our society that go without the basic survival needs: food, clothing, and shelter.
Why is it that we can spend millions to support one criminal that sits on death row: and at the same time can’t take care of our young, old and middle aged citizens that need assistance with meeting their daily living needs.
It is because our system is wishy washy. While the grandparents here may not have been the ones to murder the baby, they are just as guilty for withholding information. With this, everyone in this family and others that are in similar circumstances need to pay back to society for what they have taken.
Put the girl to death. Use the money this will save to feed the poor. As for the others that were remotely aware and chose to protect KC, generate a law that will prevent them from collecting social security.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not pro “kill the criminal”, etc; but, I know that if our country system upheld the laws that are written consistencty would show a much more peaceful society.
You see, even a child that knows he will have a consequence for unwanted behaviors will not engage in them to prevent the consequence from happening. On the flip side: Adults in American Society know that consistency is not a word in our justice system … it is chance. Funny … Chance can be looked at as one that wins when playing slots … I won 4 quarters … I lost 7. As long as the wins keep coming in there is no need to stop..anything.
Terri