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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen for 11 long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Headlines tonight. The deadline comes and goes, mom, Casey, turning down an immunity deal in the search for her own little girl. Translation, what she knows, she`s not telling.
Now we learn even more criminal charges expected against mom, Casey. And tonight, just released, recent 911 calls from the Anthonys to police. Grandmother, Cindy, shows up on national TV insisting Caylee is still alive and attacking police, claiming they are doing nothing to find the little girl. She claims forensic evidence pointing to Caylee`s death is out of context.
And tonight, mom, Casey, back behind bars for cleaning out a so-called friend`s checking account. This as investigators go on the record, confirming there is forensic evidence of human decomposition in mom, Casey`s, car trunk, and all indicators are it was 3-year-old Caylee. Mom, Casey, digging in her heels tonight, still offering not a single clue as to the little girl`s whereabouts as volunteer searches go on yet another day today. Where is 3-year-old Caylee?
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911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s the emergency?
GEORGE ANTHONY, MISSING TODDLER`S GRANDFATHER: I have protesters on my — they`re knocking on my front door. They`re trying to come in. They`re breaking my door.
911 OPERATOR: You want to meet with a deputy?
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am. I need someone here to get these people off. They`re knocking on my front door.
911 OPERATOR: How many people? Approximately how many?
GEORGE ANTHONY: I have five people right now.
911 OPERATOR: Did you see any weapons with them?
GEORGE ANTHONY: Ma`am, I have no idea. I haven`t opened up the door because they`re trying to break in through our door, ma`am.
911 OPERATOR: OK. We`re sending someone out there as soon as we can.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Thank you.
911 OPERATOR: You`re welcome. Bye-bye.
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CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: She`s not dead! No one`s found her yet.
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CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you asked your daughter, Where`s Caylee?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And where is she?
CINDY ANTHONY: She doesn`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?
CINDY ANTHONY: Because someone took her.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight. The desperate search for 3-year-old Florida girl Caylee Anthony.
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911 OPERATOR: 911. What is your emergency?
CINDY ANTHONY: I have about 50-plus protesters outside my house. They`re all on my property. I have “No trespassing” signs on. This is Cindy Anthony calling.
911 OPERATOR: OK.
CINDY ANTHONY: They`re all out there screaming “Murderer” and stuff. And I have people trying to come into my house and they`re disrupting them, and I don`t want a riot to start outside my home. So if someone could send a deputy by, I would appreciate it.
911 OPERATOR: All right. We`ll get someone out there as soon as we can.
CINDY ANTHONY: All right. Thank you. I don`t think they even have a permit for their protest.
911 OPERATOR: OK.
CINDY ANTHONY: All right. Thank you. Bye-bye.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you called in and says, It smelled like there`s a dead body in my daughter`s car, why did you say that for? Because you know there was a dead body there!
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re a liar! Why did you say it, then? Why did you say it!
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GRACE: Straight out to Mark Williams with WNDB Newstalk. Mark, what`s the latest?
MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, the big story today, of course, Nancy, was the deal for limited immunity that expired at 9:00 o`clock this morning, basically, the opening of business at the county attorney`s office, and she did not take it, nor did her attorney, Jose Baez, take advantage of that.
And of course, as you know, Nancy, that the deal would have been if she would have talked about where she may have placed Casey`s (SIC) body or given the whereabouts of Caylee`s body, she would not have been prosecuted but they could have used any evidence gathered to use that against her in the investigation, and of course, any subsequent trial. That is the big thing that happened today. No movement there whatsoever. So she still remains in the Orange County jail.
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Back to Mark Williams with WNDB Newstalk. We just played a portion of a 911 call where the Anthonys are calling police regarding protesters there in their front yard. Now, we have heard intimations by the Anthonys, police are doing nothing to help them. Didn`t police show up in regard to that 911 call?
WILLIAMS: Four cruisers showed up that night. Several of them were unmarked cruisers. Most of them were marked. But they showed up. And that was before the arrest of Casey Anthony later that evening.
The deal is, the protesters showed up. It was an Internet sort of deal that they all got together on the Internet and they showed up Friday night. I don`t know if you need a permit to assemble there because it is on public property. There were about 50 protesters. Everything was fine. They — the police presence, of course, kind of quieted things down, but it could have become really ugly.
GRACE: What exactly are they protesting, Mark Williams?
WILLIAMS: Well, they`re protesting Casey Anthony herself. They were holding signs accusing Casey of being literally a baby killer, and that`s kind of what they`re thinking of. They think that Casey Anthony should come to trial, she should be convicted. But let`s just put it in context. A, the biggest thing is she is innocent until proven guilty. She has not been proven guilty yet.
GRACE: You know, Mark, I appreciate that tutorial on the law, but I was simply trying to find out what the drift is of the protesters out in the front yard. They are becoming increasingly angry. Also grandmother, Cindy Anthony, has shown up on national TV claiming that police are doing nothing to help find Caylee. Take a listen.
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CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee is with someone that Casey had trusted. And I believe that Casey had been just, you know, betrayed. And you know, it`s unfortunate that it`s going to take the average citizen to bring Caylee back home to me alive and not the authorities.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The information that we`ve got back from the FBI lab indicating that — you know, that she was in the trunk of that car, and that she`s dead, certainly is information we take very seriously.
CINDY ANTHONY: My reaction is that John Allen is speaking out of context. And if you would have had Commander Irwin`s (ph) interview later on in the day, he also stated that they`re following up evidence in their investigation that Caylee may be alive. And I believe that because I`m still getting phone calls of people that have seen Caylee, and they`re frustrated because the authorities aren`t investigating.
Equusearch wants to know why thousands of people aren`t out helping them look in the woods. I`m getting phone calls from people saying why they`re not out looking in the woods, because they don`t believe Caylee is out there. They believe Caylee is alive and that Caylee is with somebody. So that`s my reassurance.
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GRACE: You are seeing grandmother, Cindy Anthony, on NBC`s “Today” show. She is adamant that 3-year-old little Caylee is still alive. She claims that all of the statements police have made regarding the forensic testing indicating a decomposed body in mom, Casey`s, car trunk had been simply taken out of context.
We are taking your calls live. Out to Shirley in Florida. Hi, Shirley.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I`ve been trying to call for a month. My question is, with all the partying that Casey does, could she have been in a blackout? Could she have left Caylee in the car, in the heat, and she had died and then Casey, going into a blackout, panicking, putting her daughter in the trunk?
GRACE: OK. Let me ask you something. I`ve got Shirley in Florida on the phone with me. Shirley, you mean she`s still in a blackout when she puts the little girl in the car trunk?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, if she`s doing drugs and drinking, she might…
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! So a blackout from drugs and drinking. Let`s go straight to the lawyers, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer John Burris joining me from San Francisco. Correct me if I`m wrong, Ray Giudice, but voluntary intoxication or drug use is not a defense.
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s right. It`s not a defense. However, it might get you into an involuntary homicide charge, as opposed to an intentional homicide charge. The difference is capital punishment versus maybe maximum 20 years.
GRACE: Absolutely incorrect! John Burris, either involuntary alcohol or drug use is a defense or it`s not. You don`t — you`re not halfway in and halfway out. It is not a defense under the law. It does not negate intent, period, under the law.
JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think that you`re right about that, but you have to deal with the whole question of, Is this a specific intent crime, premeditated, deliberate? And the answer is — if it was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the answer would be no. So it could get you out of a first or even a second degree murder and put you back in manslaughter.
GRACE: No, John. No, John.
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GRACE: If that were true — oh, I`m sure that would be what the two of you would argue. But if that were true…
BURRIS: And it would work.
GRACE: … every person in a jail and a prison today would claim, I was drunk, let me out of here.
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GIUDICE: … if you can prove it, Nancy.
BURRIS: It`s not a claim. You`ve got to prove it.
GIUDICE: You`ve got to prove it.
BURRIS: You just can`t say it`s true.
GRACE: OK, and I want to go back…
BURRIS: And if you do prove it — I think I will say this. Her case is hurt because of the fact that if she did do this under the influence of drugs, the cover-up is always worse and that will bootstrap this case to another level, even though it might not justify she didn`t report it at the time.
GRACE: You know, I think that we could use a shrink right about now. Let`s go to Jeff Gardere, psychologist and author. Dr. Gardere, in a nutshell, when you spot someone — a dead body or someone in distress — would your immediate reaction be to put the body into your trunk and go bury it in a swampy area? I don`t think so.
JEFF GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: The immediate reaction would be to call a police officer, get some help right away. If nothing else, you may panic, but we…
GRACE: Panic? Panic? Panic? Panic and try to save the child, not panic and try to bury the body.
GARDERE: No, no.
GRACE: That is incomprehensible!
GARDERE: That`s correct. Panic in that you would call 911. You may not be able to say exactly what`s going on because you may fall into some sort of an emotional state where you can`t explain yourself. But no, you would not bury the body in that kind of a situation.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Dan in Georgia. Hi, Dan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Hi, Nancy. How`re you doing?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just had a question. The fact that her mom already had a dead body — or pieces of a dead body in her trunk, you know, whether or not it`s Caylee or not, why hasn`t she been charged with driving around with, you know, pieces of a dead body in her trunk, a decaying body?
GRACE: You know, that is an interesting question. Let`s go back out to the lawyers. To John Burris. The forensic tests show that there was a decomposing human in that car trunk. What can authorities do with that?
BURRIS: Well, the only thing they can do is do the DNA and try to determine if they have some way to match up who that body belongs to. But I don`t think just because it`s there, doesn`t mean she did it. If it`s somebody else`s body, well, then, that`s even worse.
GRACE: Let`s just play this out…
BURRIS: You have to take that evidence…
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GRACE: Let me look at John Burris, please. Can you put him and Giudice up on the screen? I want to see these faces. Burris, let`s play out your scenario. So there`s somebody else dead in the trunk? Is that what you`re telling me, there`s another dead person?
BURRIS: I`m saying it could be. I mean…
GRACE: Who?
BURRIS: … obviously, I would think…
GRACE: Who!
BURRIS: … that you`d have the issue on the child. I mean, I don`t know. If it`s — the point is…
GRACE: I don`t know.
BURRIS: … the government has to prove that she has some connection to it.
GRACE: OK…
BURRIS: If it`s the child, it`s probably an easier case for them to prove than if it`s some other person…
GRACE: Right.
BURRIS: … -because she has control of the child.
GIUDICE: Nancy…
GRACE: Ray, throw me a bone here.
GIUDICE: Well, look…
GRACE: I mean, Burris is drinking the Kool-Aid.
GIUDICE: Well, I mean, the problem is that from the defense standpoint, it`s a total uphill battle and all you`d be looking on the defense is to try to break that linkage and try to argue, Hey, it was some boyfriend that killed the child and threw it in the back of her car, or something to that effect. And obviously, John is looking for great defenses because this is a heck of a problem and a bad case.
GRACE: Well, I got a problem, and I`m going to throw it to Lawrence Kobilinsky. Everyone, renowned forensic scientist joining us out of New York, Lawrence Kobilinsky. Dr. Kobilinsky, it is very clear — and I have the police statement right here in my hands. They state that forensic evidence shows scientific evidence of human decomposition in the trunk of the defendant`s car. They say lab evidence and additional evidence that has not been made public leads them to believe Caylee is no longer with us. What do they have, Koby (ph)?
LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, that`s quite an important statement. We haven`t seen any real reports yet. And we have to be sure that the testing is reliable. Now, we know mitochondrial DNA analysis has been shown to be reliable. But on the other hand, the air testing is something that we really need to learn more about. I mean, testing this and indicating absolutely that there`s human decomposition — that`s a huge leap and could make the difference in this case.
GRACE: They`ve probably gotten that from the hair. We know that for a fact, that the hair is from a dead person.
KOBILINSKY: Well, again, I haven`t seen their physical evidence. But we do know that hair from somebody who was deceased will develop a banding pattern. And under the microscope, it looks like a dark band. It`s actually parallel lines of air sacs, very interesting. And the problem is, is there`s not a lot of research done on this. We really doesn`t know what other conditions might cause such a banding pattern in hair, although what we know now is that, certainly, it does form between 8 hours and 3 days. It gets darker and darker. So there`s a good indication that it comes from decomposition, but a lot of questions.
GRACE: Koby, isn`t it true that defense attorney Jose Baez has contacted you?
KOBILINSKY: That`s true. That`s true.
GRACE: About what?
KOBILINSKY: Well, you know, he`s — has an uphill battle, as you just heard, and he wants some advisement on forensics. I`m a neutral person. Whether I`m contacted by the defense or prosecution, I`m going to say the same thing. So if I have something important to say, Jose will hear about it.
GRACE: So right now, she`s only charged with child neglect. She`s not charged with murder at this juncture. So why is he asking a renowned forensic scientist like yourself for advice?
KOBILINSKY: Well, I think a good defense attorney is going to look at all the physical evidence, and if there are issues about reliability as to whether the tests have been validated and properly performed, the only resort he has is to come to somebody like me who could give him some advice on that.
GRACE: What was his most grave concern?
KOBILINSKY: Well, I don`t think we really discussed anything in particular. I think it`s the whole case. It certainly looks like a case that the prosecution is going to — the prosecutor is going to move forward with the claim that the child was murdered and that there`s decomposition. But I think you`ve got to prove that, of course, in a court of law. I`m not a lawyer, but from a scientific perspective, I`d like to be sure that the tests are reliable and validated.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: … refusal to talk comes just two days after sheriff`s investigators announced for the first time that forensic evidence from Casey`s car tells them that Caylee is no longer alive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These things together lead our investigators to believe that Caylee is most likely deceased.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey, did you kill Caylee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And of course silence. She hasn`t uttered one word in the direction of, Let`s go find Caylee, not one word.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A fleet of squad cars pulls up. They cuff Casey Anthony. They put her in a squad car and they zoom away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey was stone-faced, as usual. There was no changed emotion. She didn`t look like she was sad. She didn`t look like she was angry. She just had a very straight face about her.
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GRACE: Welcome back. The deadline for the so-called immunity deal for mom, Casey Anthony, has passed. It has come and gone. We are taking your calls live.
Right now, I want to go to special guest, the head of Texas Equusearch, searching for Caylee, out beating the bushes to find the 3- year-old little girl. Tim Miller, thank you for being with us. It`s great to see you. How did the search go today?
TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: You know what, Nancy? The search went well today, but — and I don`t watch a lot of media stuff. But right now, you know, it appears as though I probably need to pull off of this search.
GRACE: Why do you say that?
MILLER: Well, the reason I say that — I don`t watch a lot of media stuff. I just — like, I come in open-minded. And if Casey, in fact, gave that child to somebody that she trusted, I am very upset that she did not at least get their name and phone number because we`re getting calls from people across America that really want us to look for their child that`s really missing.
GRACE: OK, wait! Wa-wa-wa-wa-wait~! Wait! Why are you considering pulling off the search?
MILLER: Well, I am saying, if Casey got us out here and she gave that child to somebody she trusted and will not give up the name and phone number, and wasting our resources for somebody that really needs us…
GRACE: Do you believe that, Tim? Do you believe that?
MILLER: You know what? I will do anything for this family.
GRACE: Tim? Tim?
MILLER: I`ll do anything for any family. But I`m upset.
GRACE: Tim? Tim, do you believe Caylee is still alive?
MILLER: I am very open-minded. I met with Cindy today. And you know what? We have got people in…
GRACE: I understand she was very angry at you today.
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CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not blindsided. They`ve been doing this from day one, guys. You guys have fed right into their hands. Let`s just find Caylee.
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CINDY ANTHONY: There was no odor in the car when it was towed down to the towing company. No odor. I smelled rotten whatever it was, something decomposing in there. Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard.
I know what I know. Caylee is not dead. Air samples don`t mean anything.
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GRACE: Straight back out to Tim Miller, the head of Texas Equusearch. Tim, is it true that you are not getting cooperation and are therefore considering pulling out of the search?
MILLER: Well, you know what? If this is true, what is being said right now, that she gave that child to somebody she trusts — I can`t imagine anybody giving their child to somebody they trust without getting at least a name and phone number.
GRACE: Oh, OK. Hold on.
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GRACE: If you could just address — are you getting cooperation?
MILLER: You know what? I`m not asking for cooperation from that family.
GRACE: Are you getting cooperation?
MILLER: They`re going through a very tough — I do not ask them for anything. I understand — remember, Nancy, I lost my own child. And you know what? I did not know…
GRACE: Tim…
MILLER: … what to do at that time, so…
GRACE: Is it true that you told me point blank you are not getting cooperation from the Anthony family or their lawyers?
MILLER: Well, you know what? But I`m not asking for that. I mean, if they had any information to give, I would hope they`d come forward. And I`d believe them.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you called in and says, it smelled like there`s a dead body in my daughter`s car, what did you say that for? Because you know there was a dead body there.
CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TOT CAYLEE: No, I don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have evidence that we have not yet made public that leads our investigators to believe that Caylee is deceased.
C. ANTHONY: There`s no new developments. Absolutely, she knows who has her. I know she`s alive and I know she`s out there. She`s coming home. She`s leading you to a place but she`s not telling you to the right exact location to which apartment it is because she`s afraid if someone walks in that something may happen to Caylee.
My daughter may have some mistruths out there or half-truths but she is not a murderer. There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car full of maggots it stunk so bad.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cindy, but these dogs are trained to find dead bodies, Cindy.
C. ANTHONY: The same dog that cleared our house cleared them. There`s no evidence that Casey has ever done any harm to her child. She lived with me for three years. I`ve never seen anything. She is not dead.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Everything she says doesn`t make any sense.
C. ANTHONY: I don`t know. I`m not in Casey`s head. I`m not a psychiatrist. I thought I was here today to discuss Caylee, not to defend my — what my daughter is doing.
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GRACE: Joining us right now is a very special guest, grandmother, Cindy Anthony.
Miss Anthony, thank you for being with us.
C. ANTHONY: Hey, Nancy, how are you?
GRACE: I`m good. And I want you to know that many of us are continuing to pray and think of you and your husband and Caylee.
I understand you want to respond?
C. ANTHONY: Well, yes. I was listening to Tim Miller. I`d like to answer the question that he kind of didn`t answer for you.
GRACE: OK.
C. ANTHONY: I`m the one that called Tim Miller and actually someone told me about him three or four weeks ago. And I thought all he did was body searches, you know, after, you know, people had been deceased or if you knew a specific area.
And I waited until the urging last week, again, from several people to call him because they said, no, he can do, you know, live searches, too. So Tim came out here with the understanding that, you know, we believe that Caylee is alive and that we wanted him to assist us in looking for her as a live person.
So we have been fully cooperating with him. In fact, I`ve given him many locations, including today, you know, locations in Dallas where we`ve gotten numerous tips verified from FBI today, numerous tips that, you know, have been reaching out since early — you know, the first week after Caylee was found out she was missing.
In fact, some of them found out on your own show that she was missing and some of them haven`t been followed up. And now they`re being followed up. So I just wanted to, you know, assure you that we have been cooperating with Tim.
Casey was under full instruction not to speak to outside, you know, people, even including the family, so that we weren`t put in any jeopardy of, you know, obstructing justice if she told us something.
So she`s not going to cooperate with anybody other than her attorneys and maybe anybody he appoints on his staff that has confidentiality. So that`s going to kind of clear that up a little bit.
GRACE: Miss Anthony, I know that you want more volunteers to show up to search. Is that correct?
C. ANTHONY: No. Actually, I don`t. I think it`s a waste of time searching in the woods behind, you know — back by the airport and all that because, you know, I know Caylee is alive.
I`ve gotten many people calling in and saying that they`ve seen Caylee. What I would like people to do is continue to get the word out and continue to look for her. And we`ve got — I`ve gotten probably over 100 phone calls today from people that are supporting us and that are continuing in that — those efforts just today alone.
So, you know, I`m not surprised that a lot of people aren`t showing up to search the woods, because a lot of people don`t believe that she`s out in the woods, that she`s buried. They believe that she`s alive and breathing. And that`s what we need to do is look for a little girl that`s out there, you know, maybe at a restaurant or a store or a park or whatever.
And if we continue to, you know, look at evidence that hasn`t been verified like your forensics specialist said, none of this has been verified. You guys are going to put the coffin — Caylee in a coffin because eventually something is going to happen to her if we don`t find her.
So let`s not look at speculation. Let`s not convict someone before they`ve even been brought up on charges. Let`s look for Caylee because that`s what Tim is supposed to be here for and that`s what my goal is to get everybody out here looking for her.
GRACE: Well, Miss Anthony, I know that there are cases such as Elizabeth Smart.
C. ANTHONY: Absolutely.
GRACE: . such as Shasta Groene, where they have been written off as most likely dead and then a miracle occurs and they are found alive.
C. ANTHONY: Absolutely.
GRACE: However, in those cases, there were — there was no evidence of a decomposing body in the car trunk.
C. ANTHONY: Well, again, your forensics specialist said none of that has been verified. You know who is leaking that? You know, people are leaking information — Orange County said last week they don`t leak information.
They`ve been leaking information strategically. They leaked it last Wednesday because they thought Thursday was the deadline for her immunity, when, in fact, the immunity got pushed out until today. And then they pushed it again all this weekend, because they thought that Caylee — Casey would break.
She`s not going to break when she`s telling them the truth that she does not know where Caylee is at.
GRACE: Well, I don`t know if it`s leaking. But Captain Angelo Nieves of Orange County Sheriff`s Office gave an official public statement stating the FBI provided scientific evidence of human decomposition in the trunk of Casey Anthony.
Point blank — I just read it.
C. ANTHONY: Hair follicle or whatever, none of that has been verified.
GRACE: From the FBI lab?
C. ANTHONY: We — you know, your forensics specialist himself said none of that`s been verified.
GRACE: No. No, no.
C. ANTHONY: You know, even that hair samples.
GRACE: He did not say — he said some of the evidence. He would want to verify before he gave his expert opinion. But the FBI crime lab states point blank that there is scientific evidence of human decomposition in Casey`s car trunk.
C. ANTHONY: I would love to know what it is. Are we talking about urine? I mean, I myself put dirty diapers back there from Caylee until we`ve gotten home and throw them away. You know when the dog hit on Caylee`s play house, I asked them is it because she peed in her play house?
And they said possibly because they didn`t find anything buried under her play house.
GRACE: To Lawrence Kobilinsky, our forensic specialist joining us tonight, is there any way that a dirty diaper or a urine soaked diaper could show up as human decomposition in a test?
Could you please clarify what you said earlier? Maybe I misunderstood you.
LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: No, no, Nancy. I think a diaper urine would not be mistaken for decomposition. I believe that the kind of air sampling that was done.
GRACE: I`m not talking about the air sampling.
KOBILINSKY: I`m sorry. The hair?
GRACE: I`m talking about the hair, yes.
KOBILINSKY: Yes. Well, you know, if in fact they found hair with a banding pattern and if they can demonstrate that that comes from Caylee, then, you know, they`ve got some very strong physical, although circumstantial evidence.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, you`re one step ahead of me, because this report regarding the FBI crime lab does not state that the decomposing body was Caylee. It simply says, point blank, there is scientific evidence of human decomposition in Casey Anthony`s car trunk.
KOBILINSKY: Yes. Nancy, if they did mitochondrial DNA analysis, that`s not — that doesn`t give you a unique profile.
GRACE: Do you have a reason to doubt the FBI scientific lab?
KOBILINSKY: Oh, I think they`re a fine laboratory. But even they will admit that the mitochondrial profiles are not unique.
GRACE: Nobody said mitochondrial.
KOBILINSKY: Oh well.
GRACE: I`m just asking you if you have a reason to doubt their veracity.
KOBILINSKY: I don`t know.
GRACE: OK.
KOBILINSKY: I have no reason to believe they would lie, of course not.
GRACE: Let`s go back to Miss Anthony.
Joining us is Caylee`s grandmother, Cindy Anthony. And I want to clarify, she believes the little girl is still alive and she wants help findings her alive.
C. ANTHONY: I do.
GRACE: Miss Anthony, now that I have gone back to Lawrence Kobilinsky, what do you think?
C. ANTHONY: Well, here`s my feel. No one`s 100 percent sure of anything, correct? Until they`re 100 percent sure of anything, why the heck are we not looking for Caylee as a live person? That`s my thing.
GRACE: Well, I`ll tell you why. I`ll tell you why. And this is just my lay person`s and trial lawyer`s opinion. And that is, it`s been very clear — and you`re right. You stated a liar does not a murderer make.
But when you are lying about the whereabouts of your little girl who is missing, that has made the public doubt anything your daughter is saying.
C. ANTHONY: And, again, people are speculating that she`s lying about her whereabouts. Casey states and she`s maintained from day one without flinching that she does not know where Caylee is at.
In fact, one of our tips matches the descriptions of the people that took Caylee.
GRACE: Well, didn`t she tell people all.
C. ANTHONY: And that tip was a month ago.
GRACE: Did she tell all along that Caylee was at the amusement park, that Caylee was with you, that Caylee was at these various places and none of that was true.
C. ANTHONY: No. What she told the sheriff`s department all along was that she was kidnapped by Zenaida and, you know — and that`s what she`s maintained. She told me, you know, some things during the month of June because she was trying to look for her and tried to get her back herself.
And when that didn`t work, that`s when, you know, she was — you know, came clean with the other. But, again, the description of the person that she described to the police on July 16th is the same description of that Dallas tip.
GRACE: Miss Anthony.
C. ANTHONY: . and they`re just now following that up and that tip came up a month ago.
GRACE: . who is Zenaida Gonzalez? Every Zenaida Gonzalez police have searched into is not anywhere near what your daughter is saying.
C. ANTHONY: That`s not entirely true. There`s a lot of them that`s out there that we`re still investigating.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(NEWSBREAK)
GRACE: With us tonight is Caylee`s grandmother, Cindy Anthony. We are taking your calls live.
Back out to Miss Anthony.
Cindy, I understand that you yourself have been looking for Caylee. Where have you been looking and what tips have you turned up?
C. ANTHONY: Well, you know, I actually looked around some, you know, places here locally, ruled out a few places. But mainly what I`m going off of is what people call in to me and then I follow up on them.
Have to follow up on, you know, agencies that are supposed to be following up. I had one the other day that called missing persons in Dallas and the guy said he was waiting for Orange County for the last month to tell him it was OK to follow up on a tip.
So I spend a lot of my time chasing other authorities trying to make sure they follow up on tips people have called in. And I only have about three or four dozen tips called in to me that have already been called in to other authorities.
Orange County said there`s over 1500 tips. What I would like to challenge you guys is why can`t we make those public record so we can all follow up on them, make sure that they have been — I mean, everything else has been out there, you know, with disclosure.
I mean the first 471 pages is out there. Why can`t we have some of these tips so that the people know where she`s been spotted and then the average person can go follow up and make sure that everybody is doing their job? And that way justice can be served for Caylee.
GRACE: Where — Cindy, based on the information that you`re getting from tips, where are you looking? Where do you believe Caylee is?
C. ANTHONY: Well, right now, my gut is either she`s in Texas, Mexico or Puerto Rico. I think she`s somewhere down there. A month ago, I would have thought she might have been up around New York. But right now I think she`s somewhere in Texas or even Puerto Rico.
GRACE: Miss Anthony, what do you make of police saying point blank that they believe Caylee is deceased?
C. ANTHONY: Well, you know, when I asked them — I asked them — I asked them that last week. And they said — I asked them, is there still a chance that she`s living and breathing and they said yes. I said, if there`s still a chance she`s living and breathing, then, you know, I want you to — are you going to continue to follow every tip? And they said absolutely.
So with that in hand, if there`s still a chance that she`s out there living and breathing, all I`m asking is that everybody give Caylee that chance and actually continue to look for her. So until they can prove to me 100 percent otherwise, until all the evidence comes in and I actually know what the evidence is, and satisfy in my mind that she`s not out there, I`m not going to let her go as long as I have a breath in my body.
Because if she`s out there and no one`s looking for her and she`s missing us, I`m going to find her. I`m going to find her. And that`s what every good mother.
GRACE: You know.
C. ANTHONY: . or grandmother would want to do.
GRACE: Did you ever get a satisfying explanation as to why Casey did not report her missing immediately?
C. ANTHONY: Yes. She maintains that she was threatened, that Caylee`s life is being threatened. And I think that`s why she`s been very cautious with what she says. And, you know, some people don`t understand that. But I understand it with the people that she`s described to me.
A lot of stuff, you know — a lot of stuff we can`t release out to the public, but what we can release is where we`re looking. And, you know, ask the detectives why they never did a — put a description out there of people.
You know, they think that the person doesn`t exist, but they determined that at 12:30 on July the 16th, just a few hours after talking to her, without investigating any of the Zenaidas or anybody else.
And, you know, that`s very sad that this little girl for the whole months of July and almost all of August, you know, didn`t have someone actually going to bat for her.
GRACE: Well, and — but you cannot discount.
C. ANTHONY: . because they were.
GRACE: But you cannot discount, Mike Brooks, that for a solid month police didn`t even know she was missing because the mom didn`t call her in.
MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Exactly. And, Nancy, she took police over to the apartment where she supposedly gave Caylee away to this — the babysitter. But, Nancy, that apartment had been vacant for 142 days.
She also said that she, on July 15th, had received a phone call and talked to Caylee. Cell phone records say no incoming calls at all on that day. You know, it`s just been lie after lie after lie. And if she did give Caylee to someone that she, quote, “trusted,” who is this person? She needs to cooperate with police.
That`s the bottom line, Nancy.
GRACE: Miss Anthony, response?
C. ANTHONY: He`s assuming that he knows the stuff. Why don`t he pull her phone record and see how many incoming phone calls she had that day? She`s going to be.
GRACE: Don`t you have the records?
C. ANTHONY: There was five phone calls, incoming phone calls during that time.
GRACE: Well, don`t you have the records, Miss Anthony?
C. ANTHONY: I have them. I see them — those incoming phone calls.
GRACE: Well, then why don`t you release them?
C. ANTHONY: And you know what, we`re following up on those. Unfortunately we`re following up on those.
GRACE: But why don`t you release them? Show that police are wrong in this sworn affidavit that say those calls didn`t come in. I`ve got the answer…
C. ANTHONY: Well, yes, maybe we do need to start releasing some things. Let`s release some of the tips.
GRACE: I mean.
C. ANTHONY: Let`s release some of the other stuff so people can start looking on their own.
GRACE: Do you really think police.
C. ANTHONY: . to see what they have and haven`t done.
GRACE: . would lie about incoming phone calls?
C. ANTHONY: I`m not saying they`re lying. But the records speak for themselves. I have a copy of the phone records. And in fact some of my — there are some of my calls to her that don`t even show up on her phone records.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: With us tonight, bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla. Weigh in.
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED GET CASEY ANTHONY OUT OF JAIL: Well, here`s the situation, Nancy. I believe that when the FBI, who`s got one of the finest labs in the world comes back with the DNA it`s going to shock the world over something that Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary.
GRACE: Which is?
PADILLA: . findings. And also the dumpster, a mile and a quarter down from the boyfriend Tony`s house, is going to play a big part in this.
GRACE: What do you say in response to Miss Anthony?
PADILLA: She`s living in total denial.
GRACE: Everyone, joining us tonight, Cindy Anthony.
Miss Anthony, again, our prayers are with you and your husband and, of course, little Caylee.
Let`s stop and remember Army Colonel Stephen Scott, 54, New Market, Alabama, killed, Iraq on a second tour. Awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. Worked two years at the Pentagon before serving in Iraq where he helped train and equip the Iraqi army.
Devoted to family and fellow soldiers, loved fast cars, motorcycles, to jogging five miles every day. Leaves behind grieving parents, Patricia and Kenneth, sister Kathleen, brother Mark, daughters Rebecca and Rachael.
Stephen Scott, American hero.
Thank you to all of our guests. But our biggest thank you to you for being with us and happy birthday to a Vegas friend of the show, Miyun Clemens fighting valiantly sickle cell anemia. She is more of a hero in her short lifetime so far than many of us will ever be.
Happy birthday, little Miyun.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
END
Filed under: Casey Anthony, Nancy Grace Show, caylee anthony , Casey Anthony, caylee anthony, Nancy Grace Show, Open Thread
On the home webcam, Cindy just walked out to talk to the reporters now, she is going to the media again
What webcam?? Do they have a live webcam?
yourturntohelp, thank you so much for all you do for this site. I really appreciate it. Love the picture you have added.
I’m going to have to find a copy of that 911 call about the protesters.
That protester that was cited yesterday commented on the post I wrote about it yesterday. I think I’m going to email her and have her write a post.
Thanks Jill
Christine there is a link to the webcam in the left margin under “live webcams”
Thanks!! I should have looked a little harder..LOL
The caller that just called and asked what can they charge her with since they have proven there was a dead body in the car and she was driving around with a dead body in the car?
Problem is they haven’t proven she was driving around with that evidence in the trunk. The can show it was there when they got the car back from where it was parked for a few days. That’s it so far. At least that they have released
I hope the Feds have a tap on the Anthony phone…I’d like to hear all about these phone calls she claims to be getting from Caylee sightings and volunteers who aren’t searching for Caylee because she’s alive.
I think the reason the volunteer turnout was so low is because it was Labor Day weekend for crying out loud! This woman drives me NUTS!
this is getting way out of control. Casey is not going to talk. she didnt take the deal, why would she talk with out one. lost cause. the only way they are going to find caylee is some one is going to find the body. cindy shouldnt have drilled her to hell and back when she was back at home. cindy keeps saying they know things but they just cant tell right now. tell me this is cindy and george out there searching for caylee?
I saw her on the webcam… and even saw a laugh! I also listened to Cindy answering questions at Casey’s first bond hearing. She said it would be beneficiail for Casey to NOT be in jail so she could help in the search. Well she had a week, to tell exactly where she is. I bet it al lcould have been solved within 30 minutes of her release.
Cindy probably had to go back inside to watch Nancy Grace.
I was thinking the same thing Kim
I am fearing that she fed the body to the Gators..That’s why she is keeping her mouth shut..She knows that the body won’t be found…Gators are everywhere in Florida.
Are you hearing this?????????
This guy Tim Miller is a class act. He’s from my neck of the woods. Not sure if any of you have heard of the killing fields but that is how he got started. His daughter was one of the victims of the killing fields.
Google “league city killing fields”
I thought this guy was bragging out bring alive children back home, too
Who gives their child to someone they don’t know?? Who believes this cockamamy story….If she gave the child to someone, Why has NO-ONE seen the child yet??
Was Tim just about to cry or laugh just now?
Cindy can’t stop talking crap about everyone and she wonders why nobody will help her, the media, the cops, searchers, etc..
Tim Miller said he didn’t want to search if Casey wouldn’t give the name of the person who took Caylee ??? It was the make believe Zenaida
so now he’s leaving because Cindy got pissed at him–grow a backbone for God’s sake– When will little Caylee ever get true justice? It’s NOT going to be from her family and any of the cronies they can convice otherwise!
I think he was about to laugh. He’s not the type to let Nancy yell at him and him just tuck tail. He just quit talking and smirked.
Can Cindy be this infectious? Now, has she really convinced Tim that Casey is telling the “truth?” Amazing.
Tinnk…. He was probably about to cry b/c Nancy was having him for supper!
yourturn,
I think CIndy is hamperting Tim Miller’s search. He came because the family requested him. They had him convinced Caylee is alive. But like he said he doesn’t watch the media because he wants to have an open mind. BUT I think he has seen the media and believes she is dead. Nancy said that Cindy was mad at Tim today. Maybe that is why he wants to pull off.
yes, exacltly Yourturntohelp, I couldn’t believe when I saw her on the cam walking out to the reporters…
Grow some balls Tim
He doesn’t want to get involved in all the drama, that’s not what his organization is about.
There is something OFF with this family….They really can’t believe what their Lying, Theiving, mentally unstable daughter says…I really feel that they know more than they will admit to.
Kim,
He has plenty of balls. He lost a child himself. he has been out there days in the heat and sun searching, with teams of volunteers. Do you think any one of those volunteers is an Anthony?
Sorry I have to stick up for him. He looked very beaten down tonight.
Poor Tim is going to pull out now. He knows he is wasting his time, when he could be more useful helping someone else who really wants help.
That’s exactly what they want to happen– they don’t want to find Caylee– rains of the defense BOZO BAEZ is planning
Ohio,
I just meant grow some balls and answer Nancy’s questions.
Cindy’s not cooperating, with all this help and she’s blaming everyone, I do feel for Tim Miller, he only has one mission to find Caylee…
O.K., well, I apparently don’t “get it”…because if he really thought she was alive, why was he looking in the fields, woods and swamp?
He wants to help someone who has an open mind when the truth hits them in the face. He is probably trying to tell the Anthony’s that Caylee is prob. dead, and Cindy will have no part of it. There are families out there with missing loved ones that just want their daughter found dead or alive. Cindy only wants to find a live Caylee, and TIm knows that isnt going to happen.
tinnk
he has stated that at this point he thinks they are searching for a body
Case solved…Caylee is in Texas! NOT!!
where are those damn FEDS when ya need them??
I’m sorry, and I don’t mean this to be derogatory is in some sort of name calling or something but I just don’t know any other way to say it.
She’s nuts
Cindy?? Or Casey…Or BOTH…Im going with the whole family!!
What people are probably saying to Cindy when they cal herl:
“Where is Caylee? Why aren’t you out looking for her? Why didn’t your daughter look for her the week she was out of jail? Why did you tell police the car smelled like a damn dead body, and then you changed it to pizza, then you changed it to somebody’s dead body, but not Caylee’s?”
What Cindy hears:
“We saw Caylee at a mall in Atlanta and called police but they never showed up. She was with a Hispanic lady and was calling her Zanny.”
urine???? DNA??? we’re talking about hairs and fluid which hasn’t even been disclosed yet.
she pee’d in the playhouse – so that’s why the dogs hit? COME ON!!!
Get out the straight jacket, take Cindy away for intensive psychoanalysis…
Oh… that’s what you do for a livng, kinds sorta yourturn?
And the diagnosis is….. NUTS!! Case closed.
I just about fell out of my chair when Cindy said no searchers showed up because the majority of people thing she is alive.
WTF??
Hmmmm, why are WE looking for Caylee? IDK, Cindy why aren’t you looking for Caylee?
The searchers are out there… looking for a body, Cindy needs to join THAT search team!
Sarah, LOL! Thats a good one
in ref. to Zenaida Gonzalez Cindy just said
“there’s a lot of them that are still out there and we’re still investigating”
Who’s “we’re” investigating?
I think Nancy was speechless for the first time ever. Cindy is in complete denial. How sad
Sarah II
I think that’s the most accurate description of this whole situation I’ve heard yet. I’m going to make a post out of that tomorrow.
why isn’t Cindy physically checking out all of those Zenaida’s that are out there. She deff doesn’t believe anyone else can tell the truth either.
yourturntohelp,
Well, of course, it is all of those people who are not searching in the fields because they think Caylee is alive..,…
Okay, Cindy is just as crazy as Casey, they are both a Trip…. oh, my
LOL – oh Sarah, you never cease to amuse….. you aren’t still celebrating…… are you??? LMAO
lol
They both need to go to the “Zany” farm/
Boy she sure is hung up on Dallas
Cindy HAS NOT LOOKED AT ALL!!! She is such a liar
How can Cindy go in and call Nancy Grace… does she have a hotline straight to the show? I have tried calling in and can never get through.
What’s her number I go a tip for her……..
Then why don’t she go to those places herself?
Cindy If you want to make them public record I will gladly post all these leads your talking about on this website.
We had 21,407 visits today, I’m sure we could get the word out
where are these people getting the Anthony’s phone number???
Good question Nancy! Where have they been looking?
She’s following up on the phone, huh? Dang, we NEED those phone records!
It’s all over the place. Their cell phone numbers are on this site somewhere
Why is she saying to everyone to look for her when she said that the reason Casey never reported her that Caylee was in danger and could be hurt. And she would be in further danger if Casey told.
LE showed Casey a photo of Zany and Casey had no clue who the hell she was???
Get her Nancy!
Cindy’s silence is golden
Put ME in a straight jacket… I am not going nuts.
Grrrrrr
a blooming idiot, that one!
No I AM going nuts… not I’m NOT… yes I AM….
How does Cindy know that her calls to Casey did’nt show up on the phone bill….Does she remember “every” call she made to her daughter?? She is SOOO full of S&*$
If Casey gives up the truth, she’ll loose her mother’s love and support. No Way can she afford to loose the only person that believes her to be a good person. So Cindy keeps hoping, and Casey keeps quiet, because she knows the consequences. More than ending up in jail for life, she’ll end up without a mother caring about her sorry butt in jail. I Cindy is not capable of thinking about Caylee being dead, it’s too painful, and easier to believe she’s alive. With the alternative outcome she looses both…..
Okay, now Cindy has her own delusional world just like Casey has her own delusional world, neither one can offer just ONE piece of truth/evidence, because there is none…..now I see how Casey ended up like she is…
Wow, maybe Cindy hit herself in the head with the hammer while posting the “No Trespassing Signs”. Unbelievable!
I think Cindy would love Casey no matter what. I think that is another one of Casey’s delusions that she would be lettering her parents down and they would disown her.
WOW!!
Does he know something about the dumpster we don’t?
Someone just left a tip for Cindy at the bottom of this thread
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/new-tip-line/#comment-3647
I can understand Cindy still hanging onto hope but please already stop this!What did she call into Nancy Grace to tell her bull s-t stories now
This dumpster is near Tony’s apartment…not the dumpster where she left her car???
I missed the mention of a dumpster.
When this all comes to a head, Cindy will have to be put in a rubber room for the rest of her life. George will drop dead from a heart attack. Casey will still be looking straight forward, no eye contact, no movement, no admission, no nothing.
Lee, I feel for him. Believe he’s the only sane one in the bunch.
Cindy was pulled right into the delusion, you have to be like Padilla and say, no I am not going to participate in this delusion…
If Caylee was in the trunk and she was given a sleeping drug, would the FBI forensics show a trace of a drug in her hair. Also if there were maggots in the trunk, would the FBI be able to tell if they had been on the pizza or on Caylee and how long the maggots had been in the trunk.
We in this household are praying that she is alive and we will continue to do so every day.
Thank you Nancy for your opinions and coverage of this case and may i also say that what is done in darkness, may it be proclaimed on the house top.
I think Tim Miller does not want to be pulled into the delusion either
Truthfinder, you hit it on the head (now you know why Casey is the way she is)
Good grief…there is absolutely no hope for this family.
I wish a caller wouldl ask Nancy Grace to ask one of her experts if they know of any cases where a sociopath ever accepted responsibility for their actions.
Definition of Delusion: A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
What’s the deal with the dumpster and the FBI results that will rock the world according to Padilla? Sounds like something big is coming down soon. Cindy will probably be in denial even if DNA evidence is confirmed. So sad.
mao, where did u get that info from>
I Love Nancy Grace, but she needs to stop talking over everyone and listen. Tim Miller knows he is waisting his time and said so… He should be looking for other people…who’s loved ones want them found.
I just hit teevo (sp?) Padilla said, ” When the FBI (who’s got one of the finest labs all over the world) come back with their DNA, it’s gonna shock the world over something that Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wed they released their preliminary findings.. also the dumpster which is 1 1/4 miles from the boyfriend, Tony will play a big part in this.”
Ohio, it was the last 30 seconds or so on Nancy Grace. She was talking to Padilla.
Kim
Thanks for the info…I missed that…
Cindy Anthony raises my blood pressure… Everyone else is wrong, and her daughter is always correct. Meanwhile Casey’s definition of looking for her daughter is grinding on some random chic on a stripper pole..
Kim, do you have a place you read that info , like a link to go to
A sociopath will not jeopardize their own wellbeing. The may “accept responsibility” but they won’t feel and guilt or sadness over the act. They are manipulators, that’s what works the best for them.
Yourturntohelp,
It’s actually more than 21,407 visits today. My husband is in Iraq and can not access this website because the military blocks all blog sites (among others). He calls and I read as much info to him as possible, then he relays it to his friends. Sometimes I copy and paste entire threads in e-mails for him.
He said he thought he saw Caylee with a woman wearing an abaya at the central market in West Bagdad yesterday. He’s going to call Cindy as soon as he gets a break.
Isn’t there a part of the 400+documents that state that Casey says that aybe one day she’ll get drunk enough to tell what happened to Caylee?
I watched all of Nancy tonight… I didn’t hear that. it was tonight
Padilla needs to stop hinting, and just put it out there…Suddenly cat’s got his tongue on certain things…
Oh, I missed the end of the show, was Padilla on…I’ll have to watch at 10 again or wait for the transcript..
I did not see Padilla on there at all. Would it have been cut off on cable for a commercial. I am sure Nancy gave Cindy more time than she planned.
Sarah – STOP!!! LMAO
Ohio, I just finished watching it 10 minutes ago. I’m on the West Coast. Kim’s post sums it up pretty good. It was the very very last thing said before she did the soldier tribute.
Ohio….I had to rewind the teevo and do a play by play, but the transcripts will be available shortly
Padilla looked like he was going to vomit. The “dumpster” remark was made by Padilla right as the show ended.
Ohio,
I heard it one day when she called in while she was on vacation… I havn’t had the time to go through the document though
ok thanks… i must have been posting….
They should not stop the ground search. it is not a waste of time, and for cindy anthony to brow beat that man till he thinks he should quit was dispicable. Exspecially After he came ot at the request of the family. Cindy is destroying everything to do with this case. I am so annoyed with this woman right now. Ecco search should continued on for caylee. she dersves to be at piece in the end alive or dead.
Remember Lori Hacking, they sadly searched the landfill and only found a bag of hair, which was later identified as Lori’s. So iff Caylee has been in a landfill… It just makes me sick..
LOL SarahII, your awesome!
Ohio- I’m in Indiana, maybe we got cut off at the end of the show here in our area
Let’s say that she (Casey) did dump the body of her daughter in a dumpster…Why did she borrow the shovel??
I am truly sick to my stomach after hearing this
Cindy Anthony is sick!!! If she wanted Caylee found, she should really go to bat for her…She is nothing like Sharon Rocha or Beth Holloway…
If the family dont want closer because they are denying the truth. Caylee wants closer. She doesnt have a voice because her family isnt telling people to find her dead or alive.
Christine, I believe she moved the body more than once
She may have buried Caylee to think and borrow some time. Then she went back and moved her..
truthfinder did u miss it as well?
Yes, That would make sense.
Thanks for starting this site, I’ve been glued to the show for ages. Unbelievable what a tale this girl has told. She’ll sell anyone up the river to save herself. Everything lost is found…… Now I have somewhere to come and read the updates.
Ohio – yes, maybe I was posting, I can’t believe I missed that!!
Christine, sorry to be so graphic but maybe she borrowed the shovel to remove any blood that fell onto the dirt. And it go dumped along with her body. I’m just sick over this.
I’m eastcoast, I didn’t hear that either, she switched to the soldier tribute
Maybe there are a few “dellusional” people posting on the site…lol
I have been glued to the TV every night at 8 to watch Nancy Grace cover this story…I am glad that the coverage has been constant…Hopefully until the truth is known.
I believe Cindy knows something. Casey and she seemed to have a relationship that they kept things from dad, and dad would be the last to know. This happens all over the country and it isn’t necessarily anyhting wrong with it…but in this case I think George is in the dark. Cindy makes excuse after excuse for Casey…Enough already, make this girl take some accountability once in her life… It’s ashamed it would have to be on something like this.
LOL Sarah
Thank your husband and his buddies for their service for me.
ya know in the beginning of this investigation, George Anthony took one of the detectives in the back yard to reveal a suspicious depression in the soil near the pool? Not any mention of that lately. Also, i don’t remember hearing about any results of the shovel that was recovered from the neighbor. You’d think that cadaver dogs would hit on that, too.
Yes, I wonder how long she will give it exclusive coverage. Sometimes she splits her stories.
Ohio – good one
Didn’t she back her car into the garage for some reason? I believe its possible that she borrowed the shovel to bury Caylee but may have used something else, even a dust pan or something to dig Caylee back up.
I don’t think we have to worry about Nancy Grace, Yourturntophelp will have everything for us lab rats
Kim
I’m sure that’s some evidence the police are holding back. The shovel, and the contents on that bag they got from the tow yard that was in the trunk.
Nothing has been said about those from the police yet I think they are both going to hold some clues.
Well she really did’nt have it that long…I don’t think she had the shovel for more than a hour or so…I may be wrong on that point..But I thought I read it somewhere…
I had the episode on DVR but my mother and I watch every night and we were like what??? Nancy said it in the same sentence about her laughing w/ detectives and the fact that she couldn’t remember or didn’t know where Caylee was..
If Lee, Casey and Cindy have known this shocking evidence since last Wed w/ preliminary info… how deplorable of high and mighty Cindy who still infront of every media source that will listen to her antics…this just disgusts me!
I can’t remember if it was the week w. jane Velez mitchell or Pat LaLama( I know I spelled her name wrong) sorry…
Kim,
I hope they do have some convicting evidence they are holding back.
Wow, Padilla dropped that little bombshell. He looke extremely somber. I have tivo so I was able to hear what he said, Kim posted it, literally word for word. How does he know all this? Has he been privy to some conversatins? How would he know this. It was reported today that he had some people out searching that dumpster. I think Tim knows too byt they won’t say on Nancy Grace. I wish she would have given them more time to talk.
Cindy LOVES all the attention…Don’t let the act fool you.
Cindy loves Caylee but I think she knows CASEY IS ALL SHE HAS LEFT
What was Padilla talking about tonight ofn the show? It was as though he dropped a bomb shell! What did they find in the dumpster?
I think what Padilla was probably referring to was that the police had to let the Anthony Family know more since it will be announced officially about Caylee being deceased… I did think of something, man when George Anthony took Casey’s car home he had to drive that car with the decomposing smell, that’ll probably haunt him the rest of his life, that is sad..
I bet! And when he got home he told Cindy that it smelled like there had been a decomposing body in the damn car, and that is where Cindy got that from when she called 911
When did Padilla go back to Cali? I’m sure he was in the house when the evidence was divuldged. Didn’t he say earlier on NG this week that Casey asked him to “get out of her house?” He was probably itching to get this out there first… and I bet Cindy was throwing stuff at the tv-
Does anyone know anything about the cleaning solution?
I wish they had time to expand on what Padilla said. You know, even if they do find poor Caylee’s little body Cindy will still be in denial that Casey did it. She’ll say it was someone else or Casey was set up, yada, yada, yada…
Was there a question of “Zanny” selling Caylee? What about Casey selling Caylee???? It seems she only cared about the next party and since she was no longer working and hadn’t been home for Cindy’s support?? Just an idea!
I have thought from the beginning that Casey put Caylee’s body in a big black rubbermaid garbage bag and dumped her in a dumpster. Off to the Orange Co. landfill and no one will ever know. I’d bet my bottom dollar if someone went out to the landfill tomorrow you would find investigators out there digging around. If I’m not mistaken certain garbage is put in different locations at the landfill. If there is a dumpter that is being looked at like Padilla is suggesting, then maybe a time frame can be determined when that certain dumpster was emptied and investigtors can back track at the landfill.
LOL, I have a love hate relationship w/ Padilla, but he seems to be a straight shooter since he couldn’t get anything out of Casey,,, What would they have said in front of Padilla?
Padilla said the other day that when he got at the Anthony’s, and was sitting at the table, I think that Casey immediately brought up Zenaida’s name. And in no uncertain words Padilla told her that was bunk there was no Zenaida, to quit with the lies and start with the truth. Casey, not Cindy told Padilla to get out of MY house.
“Cindy LOVES all the attention…Don’t let the act fool you.”
From the first interview I ever saw of this woman I noticed how she liked to talk all about what “she” had done, how tired “she” was, so on and so on. She seems to want to put herself out there as the hero and the victim.
Her remarks about having phone records that contradict the police records, well, that pretty much has to be a lie. The pizza, also most likely a blatant lie.
One thing about this case that the general public may learn is how sociopaths behave. They do nothing unless it somehow serves them.
I can’t say for sure if this Cindy woman is part of it or not, but I am afraid when all of this comes out, there are going to be a lot more people getting into trouble than just Casey Anthony.
I’m glad to see such interest in a case like this on this board. Its good to see people wanting to get involved like you all are doing here. While you may not be able to go out and look for the child or work specifically on the case, you do show that you care.
Keep up the good work here.
Jill, its been a long time though…but I don’t think its the dumpster people have suggested…next to the check cashing place where the Pontiac broke down.
Oh, maybe Cindy was trying to coverup as usual and that the anthony’s now it was urine found by FBI in the trunk and Cindy’s trying to coverup
when a person dies dont their bowels lose control?
Padilla is probably talking about the DNA evidence we probably already know by the leaked info that the FBI is going to confirm Caylee is dead. Yes, we know. What about the dumpster.
The baby diaper in the trunk…..I don’t think so Cindy…
Ohio – yes, when someone dies they can urinate etc.
Ohio- that’s what they were speculating that the stain might be in the begininng, i.e., urine or other, that happens at death….so make sense
Casey reminds me of Drew Peterson..Cocky, self assured..He also thought he was smater than the law…Look where he is..
oops..sorry for the typo.
AWOL- I heard they were looking at the dumpter by Tony’s apt.
where is Drew Peterson? I thought he was still loose and it is Scott Peterson waiting his day on death row.
The part between Nancy and Cindy about the phone records of Casey’s phone..God help Cindy. Someone needs to shut her up before something else bad happens. Could the police slap a gag order on her or something. Maybe for interfering with an investigation. The women is sick with denial and needs to go somewhere and SHUTUP!
On one CNN program a lawyer stated that Cindy may need a lawyer herself…theres just no end to what Cindy will say.
marsha, she just needs to be gagged. I dont think they can slap a gag order on her because she hasn’t said anything that is true.
Can you believe she’s a nurse? I certainly would run the other way if she came in my room to start my IV!
I think what is going on is poisoning of a potential jury… Cindy is working over time on that…
I heard what Padilla said but I did not get any indication Tony was involved. If I were going to get rid of Caylee with Casey I would not do it by my house. Now Casey on the other hand might have had plans to blame Tony ????
I am like several other people on here who think Casey moved Caylee’s body …probably from the back yard and then kept her in the car until finally disposing of her …What kind of a maniac could do that to a child they had given life too. I can see where she may have lost it and killed Caylee or neglected her and let her die but I can not even began to imagine keeping her body with me while I decided how to ditch the body. I remember when the woman in Texas drown all her children … the thing that shocked me the most was the fact that at no time during the mass drowning did she seem to ever stop and say to herself “What the hell am I doing” It seems like at some point Casey would have said
” I have my dead baby in the car trunk what am I doing, what have I done” I believe she kept Caylee with her for a while .
It is so heart breaking.
What if they find Caylee’s body, and they still do not have proof that Casey did it. She will get away with murder. I think her parents know she did it and they have and will continue to cover up anyway possible to protect Casey. Her father being an ex cop has a lot to do with it too. It will be like an OJ Simpson storyline all over.
I believe that the fact that Cindy Anthony has said we
have information we cannot share with the police is
enough to keep people from supporting them. Her
complete denial of the seriousness of her daughter’s
anti-social behavior, even crimes, is another reason
that people should not feel inclined to help her. When
she decides to become a responsible member of
the community and own up to those things which have
been her responsibility and provide the police with all
the information they have, then perhaps, people would
feel inclined to assist her. Someone needs to educate
about the difference between a credible lead and a
crackpot lead. Sure, callers are enabling her denial just
as she enabled her daughter.
Cindy knows her daughter murdered Caylee. She is just trying to build up a case about kidnappers, so when they find Caylee, they wil blame the so called “kidnappers” and not Casey
Paige,
I’m with you on that girl!
well like nancy said on her show… give people the information you have so they can go look for caylee. then she gives generalities, go to texas, go to mexico, go to puerto rico. why dont she give specific information if she has really gotten those tips.
didn’t she say she got 100 of them just today?
she couldnt could she? cause there wasnt any.
she may have gotten a couple fruitcake sightings… but she was in line at Panera Bread at the time.
Paige, you are absolutely correct. If she / the rest of the family were more willing, perhaps the public would be out there looking. But with all this talk of decomp…people feel its a hopeless situation.
OOps your right ,wrong peterson..The other one will end up where he belongs some day…
Does Cindy have her own site or blog where she can post these sightings/tips?
i dont think so brooke… they are all kept in her bloggin… i mean her head.
LOL @ Panera… She couldn’t give details on one sighting…just like her lying daughter.
***From Local 6 news…
Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on unrelated theft charges after she was charged in mid-July with child neglect and filing a false statement in connection to her missing daughter, Caylee, who was last seen in mid-June.
The State Attorney’s Office issued a statement on Tuesday, which said, “As of this morning, the State has not heard from the defense attorney regarding our offer to speak about the case. The offer has now expired.”
The limited immunity would have protected Casey Anthony from statements she made to investigators, but evidence found based on her statements could have been used against her.
Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, did not immediately respond to a phone and e-mail message Tuesday. He has said his client doesn’t know what happened to Caylee.
A family spokesman referred questions to Anthony’s attorney, but said they were “looking for Caylee alive.”
“(Investigators) have to justify what they’ve done thus far,” said Cindy Anthony, Casey Anthony’s mother. “They’ve railroaded Casey from the very first day … it’s very evident.”
***Right, Cindy, Who is railroading who???***
No matter what, monster should get prison time with the general population for her current charges. Who knows what will happen then. Does anybody know what’s the max time she can get now?
I thought I read 17 years.
Yes, Cindy has the Help Find Caylee site, it’s listed here on this site for access
It sounds like she is going to get murder charges to me….
why would she give the Investigator’s phone numbers for tip if she thinks they are the ones railroading her? huh Cindy?
If she believes in these sightings/ tips…Why wouldn’t she post them? It just points that she is trying to place blame everywhere but where it should be..Casey.
This is just sooooooo sad. I freaked out at Party City yesterday because a woman was giving my 10 month old a little too much attention( walking through the aisles with us)… and for these people to have not known Zany or where she lived or telephone number?? In this day you have to be guarded. There is no excuse she didn’t know who took care of Caylee if she wasn’t with family.
And Cindy needs to update the sight. Her granddaughter has had a birthday, unless she knows for a fact she is dead then she would still be almost 3 because she didn’t get to live to celebrated her 3rd birthday.
I have thought from the beginning that Casey was guilty. My belief is that Caylee drowned in the pool, Casey put her in the trunk of the car, went to the Sawgrass Apt, stalked Zenaida in the lobby and saw that she had signed the guest book. She now has a name and place where the babysitter lives for her lies. I believe she dumped Casey in the Sawgrass Apartment dumpster along with her carseat.
Did you see how she flipped the point Nancy Grace made about Casey lying about Caylee being with her (cindy) the first couple weeks after June 16th?
wadsworth, her carseat was in the car…
Thanks Ohio that is one point I had missed.
Wadsworth Lana, I read that a boyfriend lived across the street from Sawgrass, Casey could have followed Zanaida to her true home, stolen a piece of mail and so on and so on… this girl is a small time con artist…She stole from her grandparents by using a routing number…
What in the world is wrong with that idiotic grandmother (Cindy)? After listening to her again on Nancy Grace tonight (9/2/08), it just goes to show the saying is true. “The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.” It’s obvious now where Casey got her lying skills. Her DINGBAT mother. The grandmother, to me, is in it up to her eyeballs. The story that comes to mind is a movie called “When he didn’t come home, starring Patty Duke.” In that movie, a young lady kills her fiance in a fit of rage and run frantically to her parents. The parents then decide that their daughter would spend the rest of her life in jail for this murder and since he was already dead and they couldn’t bring him back, they covered it up.
It’s one thing to believe in your children as I am a mother of three. But, I also know clear as a bell when one of mine is lying to me. My mother always told me, I’ll back you as long as you’re right. But, right is right and wrong is wrong no matter which one your doing at the time. She would say, if you’re wrong, I’m going to tell you, you’re wrong. Did all of those repeated calls to her mother on the day Caylee went missing go unanswered? Highly doubtful. Cindy stated that she hadn’t seen her daughter in a month and that she was missing. If her daughter was missing, why didn’t she accept all of those calls from her? How can your granddaughter live with you and you not see her for weeks on end and simply believe she’s with someone different every day? Why don’t the grandparents know any of the people Casey was saying the child was with? Wouldn’t all of these new people that have come out of the wood work peek your interest? My first queston would have been, “what nanny, you don’t work?” How could she tell her parents that Caylee was with the nanny when Casey doesn’t even work? What does she need a nanny for when she’s unemployed? The parents are simply enabling Casey to continue this parade of lies and deceit. None of these people seem to have an honest and clear conscience. The whereabouts of Caylee starts and stops with Casey. They are in no way helping the search for Caylee. It starts with the “TRUTH,” for which Casey has shown, she wouldn’t recognize it if it cooked and fed her dinner!!
If there is someone out there that she’s given the baby to (LOL) as some has stated maybe for payment of drugs, etc, wouldn’t they stand to gain more ($225,000) by turning the girl in? I’m sure Casey didn’t owe anyone that much money or she’d be the one dead. The grandmother keeps saying that the only thing Casey has done is made bad judgement and told lies. Lady, get a clue !! The grandmother seems to have blocked out not only the quantity of lies but the extent she’s gone to to carry out those lies.; taking the police to a place of business where she clearly didn’t work; to a vacant apartment; the bogus phone calls, the “made up” babysitter, etc. Now, the grandmother has convinced herself but certainly not the rest of the world that some of the calls Casey supposedly received and spoke with Caylee just don’t show up on phone records. CINDY, they don’t show up because they don’t exist.
I think if the police would haul the grandparents in and lock them up for obstruction of justice, they’d tell a slightly different story. They wouldn’t be so quick to keep defending that habitual and pathological liar they call daughter. They’s be singing like birds to regain their own freedom. They’d be hounding Casey like nobody’s business for her to cough up the truth if it meant they’d be released.
It sounds as though if Caylee is dead, she’s in a better place with God than with this crack pot of a family that doesn’t give a damn about her. One can only hope that this baby didn’t suffer. However, no matter the outcome, the bible says you reap what you sow. Man might not get you down here on earth, but you do have to face Jesus in the end. Those grandparents should take that into consideration. They will have to pay ultimately to God for their roles in this tragedy.
What are the police waiting on? This lady needs to be charged with 1st degree murder IMMEDIATELY!!!
I wonder what would happen if ALL the news crews and every person outside the Anthony home would just leave.. I think Cindy, George & Lee would fall apart. ..because there would be no fuel to feed thier delusion.
If Caylee drowned, thats an honest to God accident…Why not call the ambulance, get Caylee some help. She probably left her in a hot car or something even worse.
The whole comment by Cindy about the dead body smell then her changing it to rotting pizza is crazy. I like many others, have had old pizza in my trash can outside before and NEVER have I ever seen a maggot or had a rotting smell come from it.
I found the experiment that the local TV station did to see what result they would get VERY INTERESTING!! Nothing like Cindy said !! Hhhmm wonder what she’s gonna say now. She always has an excuse for everything.
Poor Caylee is dead and grandma knows way more than she is letting on!!
Peace be with you sweet little Caylee!
Did Padilla simply forget to name George in his comment: ”When the FBI (who’s got one of the finest labs all over the world) come back with their DNA, it’s gonna shock the world over something that Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wed they released their preliminary findings..”
or did he deliberately leave him out for a reason?
This whole family is so sad!!! None of them seem to care anything about litle Caylee. I think we are all going to be SHOCKED when the truth is found out and I think the whole family is in on it especially Cindy. How can any grandparent act the way she does when you precious grandchildren are missing. I would be a basket case and my daughter – well, she’d be wishing I were no where around her. I hope with all my heart that something is found out soon. God Bless to all that care and to Tim and his team and Gale and her team
Ok someone please tell me what I missed the last 5 min of Nancy I have Camcast and they cut off early every night!
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/02/search-continues-for-missing-caylee-anthony-texas-equusearch-searches-parks-woods-near-airport-exclusive-pics/#more-6003
Has anyone else checked out the pictures that have been taken during the search efforts on Scared Monkeys.com
Very intresting, especially the shovel.
Accident? Maybe but if it was an accident you would still call for help. You wouldn’t try to hide something unless you were GUILTY of something.
Even if not. Say she did try to hide it and buried her. What about grieving for her? How many people grieve by partying with friends like her daughter never existed?
What kinds of person could do that?? What MOTHER could do that??
Marpal, Cindy and Casey had a closeness. Lee and Casey had a closeness…No one seems to have a closeness with Dad… Probably all but dad will wind up in jail.
My first initial thoughts was the dumpster, because they are huge in apt. complexes, noway for anyone to know without a dog, I mean Casey would have to have a 2nd shovel to bury Caylee somewhere other than her house…..i do hope they check the dumpster by Tony’s apt. as Padilla suggested, just to make sure
Sarah, what was the picture on the bottom? Are those white trash bags?
We haven’t heard much at all about or from Lee lately. I really think Grandma Cindy knows a lot about Caylee missing if she isn’t involved with the cover up. Seems like she will do anything for Casey!
Brooke, I believe Sutton Place Apts (where boyfriend lives) and Sawgrass Apts are about 8 miles away from each other. Can anyone confirm?
Tony may be the key, she’s really hung up on him. She talked to her mother like a dog on that one jail recording. All she wanted was Tony’s telephone number. Tony needs a wire and a few meetings with Casey. She may have flitted around but she had a definite thing for Tony.
Her lawyer is not going to let anyone near her now.
Looks like white trash bags! HMMM!
Oh okay… I read so much on this case…its all running together now
I know that there was a white trash bag taken into evidence on 7/16/08. I wonder if they are the same???
Not having a closeness with Dad doesn’t directly relate to Padilla’s comments about the DNA results shocking the world. Was he saying George is somehow connected? Early on I remember some reports stated that the hair was “either” Casey’s or Caylee’s. The decomposing hair ruled out Casey and pointed to Caylee.
If Cindy thinks Calee is in Texas / Puerto Rica / or Mexico how many fliers has she been able to get out down there. And if the media is going to put Caleee in a coffin as she said tonight what does she think her daughter has done. This is the kind of mother who when called by the school for her daughter misbehaving would blame all others instead of her own child. Ceritifiably BARMEY as can be..
casey anthony is a bad seed. long before her daughter was reported missing, this woman was a liar, a thief, a manipulator, a user, and sexually active with several partners. her parents have supported this behavior, have enabled her in all the bad choices she made. now, when she has possibly done something so horrific its almost impossible to believe, they cannot allow themselves to believe that she has done this horrific act. to believe that caylee is dead, they must place the guilt for their daughters actions directly where it belongs, on the people who made this woman what she is today…themselves. that guilt stops them from believing she has had a part in the grandaughters possible death. what i found so very interesting along with leonard padillas comments at the end of the show, is cindy anthony saying i want caylee brought back to ME. the quote not exact. brought back to her…what about brought back to her mother. all of this makes me so stressed out, yet i cannot stop myself from watchubg the news and nancy grace show, best information we can get.
If Casey were doing drugs while Caylee accidentally died she would have been afraid to go for help. If she had left her asleep in the car all night and then fell asleep with her boyfriend and Caylee died she would have looked bad.
I think she is just evil she knows what she did and she is to self absorbed to try and fix this. I hope when the police make their announcement that they have a lot of information they have been holding for the right moment. I hope Casey is an old lady before she gets out of jail again.
Several interesting tidbits of info on http://www.briansprediction.com tonight…
I’ve read everything you have and also the 400+ documents regarding this case. It appears that a few of the witnesses spoken to did hear of a Zaneida the nanny. I found that interesting because she was playfully referred to as Zanny the nanny. And then this morning I realized, it is probably her way of saying that she gave her daughter Xanex (or similar). This is a theory but I think it is exactly what she meant when she said Caylee is with “Zanny the Nanny.”
What do you think?
Melissa
reply:
Thanks Melissa, I have not read all the documents…but I think I’m going to now. You could be right…if she did, someone close to her has to know where she was getting it.
Brian
I am just now watching Nancy Grace and this woman Cindy is WACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kim, where do I click to find info on Caylee?
Thank You for posyting the last 5 min of Nancy Grace,this site is awesome and I hope we all stay on top of this story to.I am more confused now what is Padilla talking about a dumpstor now this case is driving me crazy,I also can see why Casey is so crazy like mother lke child my god Cindy makes up stories like Casey they all live in a fanasty world.
Melissa,
Casey is just the type to drug her child… Maybe Caylee Overdosed and thats why she didnt call for help. She could’ve given her drugs to make her sleep while she partied or whatever.
Brooke
It’s under SOS Team Cases….but there is a link on this site to the left hand side under Psychics. I’m not 100% believing all that is there, but keep an open mind and it makes for an interesting read
I hope ecco search dosent stop looking .
I don’t post often but I’m an avid fan. I’ve read probably nearly every entry in every thread. Not unlike some of you. I just want to say to Sarah II, thank you for your humor, thank you Tim for your wisdom, thank
you j for sharing some of life with me, thank you Ohio and truthfinder for your quick wit, thank you nancy for being so level headed (most of the time) and above all Thank You yourturntohelp for putting together and maonting this amazing blog (even if I did think you were female, not that it matters, just what I thought). You all have been a part my life (and now my husbands-cause I read some allowed to him) for several weeks now. I just wanted to say thanks for everything. Oh yeah, thanks Christine for being “the blond”. I mean that in the friendliest of terms. You just kind of bat one out to left field from time to time and it makes me smile. You all have a good night and I guess we will see what the dumpster comment has in store for is tomorrow.
sorry for typos its a new phone. Still trying to get the hang of it
I read it over the weekend, and my mind is totally open… I just want someway somehow for this child to have peace.
I have such a hard time listening to anything that Cindy says…she is in some serious denial and I can’t believe that she spouted about nobody looking for Caylee for the last two months, well Cindy how about the whole 31 days that your daughter didn’t report Caylee missing and was LOOKING for Caylee in the clubs…..ugh…..
Sandy, I have the hardest time.. I feel equal disgust looking at Cindy… as much as looking at Casey.
Casey swears she doesn’t know where Cayley is and everyone around her believes her. Think about it – she is psychopathic and really believes in her heart that she doesn’t know where Cayley is – so (to her) she is telling the truth. If she left her somewhere where she would disappear by floating away, getting taken by gators (eek!) etc, then she really doesn’t “know where she is.” So she has convinced herself and others she is telling the truth, because in her mind she is being honest. It is all in how you ask the question when you’re dealing with psychopathic tendencies. She might not know where she is now, but I bet she knew where she was when she disappeared.
This probably has been covered somewhere already…but I wonder if anyone has questioned Casey about how she “paid” the nanny. If she really took her to this nanny for 1.5 years or more…how did she pay her? By check? Cash? Barter? I mean, really…
Furthermore, she was apparently borrowing money from everyone to pay her rent, etc. Surely, she would have asked mommie to help pay the babysitter, no? Mommie doesn’t seem the type to fork out cold, hard cash.
Tracy,
My pleasure. I love Caylee and this whole blog + police dept. + FBI + Search teams. It’s all that poor little one has left. Not the same as having your own loving family caring, mourning, and looking for you, but not bad given the circumstances.
Kim that is a very good theory I think you could be very close to the truth.
I do not think Casey has forgotten for a second what happened to Caylee, I just think she has been coached ( probably by George ) that if she stays mum, does not give up the body that she might have a chance to beat this …. but I know in my heart there will be justice for Caylee and I hope Casey not helping will go even harder on her when this come to trial.
Cindy is in such denial. She wouldnt know the truth if it bit her in the face. She needs to STOP blaming the police, the media, public etc. and start putting blame on the one who we all know knows where Caylee is..Casey. Her anger and frustrarion is aimed at the wrong people! Its no wonder why Casey is a such liar…her parents have probably let her get away with her lies for so long and that is why she keeps doing it!
Holly,
Sooner or later someone will help monster ‘refresh’ her memory.
I can’t help but think everyone involved in this case is wacky…I try very hard to be open minded…but it’s getting harder to have any type of symphathy for these people…it’s like they are going out of their way to lay groundwork for Casey’s defense…all the while crying they aren’t getting any help from anyone, and the people who should be helpful sit there stonefaced and seemingly un-phased by everything going on around them…It’s like Cindy Anthony is already trying to shed doubt in the eyes of potential jurors…someone put a body in the car after it was towed…something is going to happen to Caylee now because LE isn’t looking for her…Don’t bother checking the woods…It’s obvious that they know she’s gone, and they will protect Caylee’s pitiful excuse for a mother by creating reasonable doubt wherever they can…Cindy was so goofy about the cell phone records…playing a game, when Nancy asked her to turn them over, she is quiet first and comes back with “Lots of things should be made public”…They are playing games because they are certain the body won’t be found…and without a body there can still be that glimmer of hope…They don’t care if Tim Miller quits searching for her…If he quits the search, that’ll be great for them…half truths…lies…mis-leads…They all have covered up and destroyed evidence from the beginning…Why hasn’t Baez told Cindy not to talk to anyone…like he told Casey? What really breaks my heart is that the one person who should fall apart from the loss of her baby girl, seems so shallow and cold hearted….
Marpal:
While I don’t think that much of Mr. Padilla — quite honestly, he has bumbled and stumbled around quite a bit after insinuating himself into the case — and while I’m not exactly sure what he may be hinting at . . . the idea you’re floating here, that the DNA of Casey and Caylee would be very similar if both were fathered by George Anthony, does at least have the merit of being scientifically correct — even if it would be entirely scandalous.
In that instance both Caylee’s and Casey’s DNA would contain parts of George and Cindy’s genes, but in differing amounts. And that could, in theory, explain why investigators might have initially had a hard time distinguishing the two . . . and you’re also right that signs of decomposition on the hair would indicate Caylee and eliminate Casey, because, obviously, Casey is still with us. Nice piece of reasoning!
However, only time will bear this out; and I think it is only fair to the Anthonies to give them the benefit of the doubt on this. Rumors have been floated to this effect before, but with absolutely no proof, and that is totally unfair. At least we’re keeping this discussion within the realm of facts and inference, and I think that is still fair game in trying to unravel the mystery that is laid out in front of us all.
I had heard Beth Holloway was coming into town to help with this search…..Does this family have her speechless or did she feel helpless in this case because the information we all need to find Caylee, only her mother knows, and she’s not willing to help.
I’ll just bet that Tim Miller has never been asked to help someone that is so damned ungrateful…….
I also think that Mr. Baez has made Casey seem even more guilty by not allowing her to talk. You’re (Baez) gonna call a bounty hunter and ask him to put up $50,000 to bail out a pathological liar and then tell her not to talk to them. I’d love to know what kind of s*%t Baez and their undisclosed 3rd party told them to sucker them into that to start with. Mr. Padilla is a bounty hunter, right? His job it to hunt down people, and I believe he has more incentive today to find Caylee than he did the day he first come to Orlando. He just doesn’t seem like a man that likes to be made a fool of……….
Kim, I have thought over the drugged up theory, but can you give a kid to much tylenol PM to kill them?
One half of a tylenol PM and the kid would be out like a light. I still think the hot car theory is the most likely. Tim, interesting theory about George potentially being father to both Caylee and Casey. THAT would be a bombshell.
Do you think any of the blogs will make it into the book when it comes out?
Total “eewww factor”!
Yep, Tracy,
I’m always trying to stir the pot — and stir up thought, and if I’ve been successful in doing that for bloggers like you, that brings me great satisfaction. Thanks for your kind words.
Jan, I heard Padilla has his own people investigating the dumpster. That would not suprise me in the least if he were doing his own investigation.
And where is Mr Baez, anyway? He has not been visible since Saterday when he made his “the police are grandstanding” bit…
From the 400 pg documents there were several friends that stated that Casey brought Caylee to adult parties and that the child slept through anything…of course you can overdose a child w/ tylenol, but that doesn’t constitute, “Zanny the Nanny” and we all know how Casey was talking in codes w/ Lee on the jail phone calls.
With reviewing the timeline on June 16th from the last time that George saw them both and when the “flury of phone calls began between George & Cindy’s numbers, I just don’t know if the drugged theory pans out!
I’m so giving myself a headache trying to rationalize this mess! uuggh!
I sure hope that he is on to something……..I’m sure he feels like his $50,000 would be more well spent looking for Caylee than being the bodyquards for a bunch of ungrateful VICTIMS.
Hi, just wanted to let you know I read this site every few hours, if I get a chance. I have read every post and every thread, and followed this tragic case from the start. I have never in my life seen such a bizarre case, involving such a crazy bunch of people. It’s fascinating, shocking, and most of all heart-breaking. I know it will come back on Casey someday…hopefully in this life, and definitely in the next.
I can’t decide if Cindy was always nuts, or went nuts when this happened. I can’t stand her, but a teeny part of me feels sorry for her…not sure why…but I think she did love Caylee before this all happened.
Has anyone considered that maybe Casey did not kill Caylee, but someone else in the family did? Padilla says the news “will shock the world”. That means to me that something pretty strange is going to come out and it won’t be what we all have been thinking! I wonder if it has anything to do with who the father of Caylee is.
Has anyone ever seen Cindy shed tears over Caylee? We all heard the frantic 911 calls, but I just watched one of the protester videos from local 6 news where she was comforting a distraught protester….yet she has the same blank, cold stare that Casey shows the world~
I love Nancy Grace i was a fan way back when she was on court tv ,she is fantastic !!!!!!!!! she knows the law inside and out.
I have read all 400 pgs of docs. One thing that I’ve not seen or heard anything about: The docs include an interview with friend Jesse Grund. He said he got 2 calls from Casey between 6/22-7/06. In the first call, Casey asked Jesse if she could come to his house and TAKE A SHOWER. He said OK and she came over and showered around 10AM.
Note the timing – this is right around the time the Pontiac was abandoned by the dumpster at Amscot Financial (car called in on 6/30 after observed 3 days sitting in same spot).
If they have not already, the cops need to clean out Grunds sink & shower drains for evidence……..
Yeah, I think that’s something that she has lied about too. Who is Caylee’s father? If the truth is out there I missed it. But “shocking the world” is something this case has done from the very start. But, I have to say, you make a good point, Linda.
Also on the local 6 there is an interview posted at 1:17pm w/ Tim Miller who states that he is there for the duration. Says the family is willing to help with the exception of Casey. Something must have happened between that interview and the airing of Nancy Grace tonight
I believe Tony picked her up when she abandoned the car
Hey Kim, came across this post in another blog…
It appears that a few of the witnesses spoken to did hear of a Zaneida the nanny. I found that interesting because she was playfully referred to as Zanny the nanny. And then this morning I realized, it is probably her way of saying that she gave her daughter Xanex (or similar). This is a theory but I think it is exactly what she meant when she said Caylee is with Zanny the Nanny.
What do you think?
sounds like it’s the same blog post I pull the above info from…briansprediction…
Her friend Amy made the reference and another “guy friend”….looks like that whole new gang of friends were on the drug scene
Also, doesn’t Casey go all, “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!” at the end of one of the jail calls? She’s complaining that all anybody cares about is Caylee, that’s all she hears about, she’s on a real tear – then all of a sudden she ends her tirade with, “and that’s all I want, too, to get Caylee back” or something, like an afterthought.
She was playing house with Tony for that first week of June, going all clingy. Caylee-free. SHE LOVD IT. She had done the same thing with Ricardo Morales, getting all clingy. Both Casey and Ricardo said their break-up was amicable, BUT best friend Amy H testified that they had a big fight, that Ricardo broke up with Casey because she was so clingy & moving too fast. She went straight to Tony and did the same thing. This time? Again, CAYLEE-FREE.
Then she went back and spent the night with Ricardo the night of June 9. While she was also seeing Tony. And friend Amy H said that Tony was p’d off about that, and Casey loved the drama. Ricardo said that he last saw Caylee the morning of June 10. Conflicts with Casey’s “morning of June 9″ testimony.
Also, weird: When Casey was dating Ricardo Morales, according to his statement, they all slept in the same bed together – him, Casey & Caylee. Multiple witnesses described Caylee’s behavior as “overly friendly” or “flirty” with men, more stand-offish with women.
Amy also said that Casey only dated men her mother hated: Mexicans, African-Americans.
Cindy’s deleted MySpace entry talks about how jealous Casey was of Caylee.
According to Cindy, SHE was raising Caylee, NOT Casey. According to all Casey’s close friends, those she lived with & spent time with, there was never any nanny, nor talk of any nanny, until June. Previously, ONLY her parents watched Caylee for her.
These things make me go, “Hmm…”
the same group from the tatoo parlor with the multitudes of pics on myspace and photobucket. Ya know in the interview w/ Tony, I believe, he stated that he had never seen her “drunk”. Well, there were many pics of her drunk, (falling down, head on the toilet, you get the picture) Just don’t understand what this girl has (or does) that makes ppl want to cover for her–
KIm, yes that post I saw on briansdreams. It seems like that is one of the best places other than this blog to get local info…
After I read it it dawned on me that she could have been drugging with Xanex, “zanny’s”, not tylenol PM
I confess to being a little ticked that Tim Miller was stopping the search. He said he would stay and search until he found Caylee’s body. He believed the reports about the hair and the air samples. But now, I don’t blame him. He has already spent $5,000 more than expected. Notice that he came to help Cindy at first, then decided to work with LE in the places they asked him to search? He has dealt with countless people over the years and I highly doubt that he has ever worked with such a nutty family. If he stays it will cost too much in money and time. Let him go and do fruitful searches for other missing children. He is needed for that. I would love for him to stay but I fear he might come out having been sucked into the crazy vortex of this family. He needs donations. many people may quit giving all because of the Anthonys. Cindy is a control freak and drove him out as far as i believe. I can’t cuss but you all can do it for me. Thanks.
I have no experience with Xanex. What would it do to a child?
Just sounds like something she might do.
gosh, I don’t know– never had the stuff myself, but I can’t see giving a 2 1/2 child any kind of anti-anxiety medicine. I shutter to think, AWOL…
I just did a quick internet search, and apparently Xanex is very addictive and can cause seizures. A big fat no no for childen, but nothing referenced death directly.
However, such a small baby, if she had a seizure, that could be a cause of the flurry of phone calls to mom the nurse…
Seizures. Interesting. Jesse Grund is said to have taken Casey to the hospital when she had a seizure – a year or so ago?
I am not defending the Anthony family at all but there is a huge part of me that sympathizes with the grandparents. There has not been CONCRETE evidence or statements regarding Caylee’s death.
The Orange County sheriff’s office issued a statement explaining that the “laboratory evidence, along with additional evidence that has not been made public, leads investigators to the belief there is a strong probability that Caylee is deceased.” Hence, “belief” and “probability.” Sadly I, myself, believe something terrible has happened to this beautiful child.
Even though, you may think Cindy Anthony is crazy, I must admit that if I were in her shoes I may act the same. If it were my family member missing, until there was a body, I would most likely hold onto any ounce of hope the she was alive. I would not fathom the thought that my 3 year old daughter, granddaughter, or niece was out there alone and missing. I too would continue to believe/hope that Caylee was alive and that this nightmare would end with a wonderful reunion.
Again, I want to reiterate that I am not defending the Anthony family, nor am I condoning their actions. I just think that until you have walked a mile in their shoes, you don’t really know how you would behave or what you would believe.
One way or another, I hope they find this child and that justice is served.
AWOL,
“Xanax is a benzodiazepine sedative. Prescribed primarily to treat anxiety because it’s a sedative. Can also make you sleepy. Unwanted effects can be confusion, memory loss, too much sedation. It’s a controlled substance. On the streets it can be a drug of abuse; people use it to “zone out.”
“Xanax and meds like it are not approved for use in children. So there aren’t a lot of studies on the effects on children. However, they are used “off label” to treat issues like seizures in kids. The effects tend to be as in adults only magnified. In addition, when mom is hooked then gives birth, kid is now hooked, and can have withdrawal symptoms. So one of the effects can be turning your kid, newborn or not, into an addict.”
You know, there are some interesting leads here, mostly on the medical aspects of this case. Here are some things that prospective investigators might want to follow up on:
* If there is even the slightest chance that “Zanny” is a drug reference to Xanax — which would generally fit the bill as a relaxant if Casey thought to use it that way with Caylee — prescription records for the entire family should be thoroughly investigated as far as possible. (There may be some limits on this due to doctor-patient privilege, but whatever the law allows.)
* Records of doctor and hospital visits for Casey ought to give us a better idea about both her physical and psychological condition. There has been quite a bit of armchair psychology going on here, but perhaps some professionals have already been involved in examining the human enigma that is Casey. Also, the seizure Cindy mentioned to investigator Melich, for which, Cindy says, ex-fiance Jesse Grund took her to the hospital, definitely needs to be looked into, to determine whether it could have been drug-related.
* Recent physical exams of Caylee would also be invaluable, in case she may have had any predisposition to illness or a medical condition that required special care. Any such finding could make her more susceptible to accidental death, which is the leading theory at the moment.
This is changing the subject, but I wanted to add my agreement to tinkk’s observation in this thread that a money trail should exist with Zenaida Gonzalez in terms of how Casey paid her — if this ever actually happened at all. It would seem at least worthwhile to pull bank records for the Zenaida Gonzalez whose name was found on the Sawgrass inquiry card and see what if anything pops up there as far as deposited checks are concerned.
Wow! This is amazing doesn’t take rocket science! Casey loves to drink beer according to her boyfriend in the 400 pages i read. She is also very friendly when she does! We can save a lot of taxpayers dollars with investigating if we bring a keg into her jail cell. Maybe then she will share with us what we already know! Get the bad mom DRUNK for one last time! Tell us the truth Casey and I will send the KEG! Also, I believe the dumpster the car was parked next too is a huge clue. I live in California and remember a similar missing child case where they searched the landfill and actually found the body. Landfills need to be searched. Certain trash trucks dump in a certain area. They need to find out where that dumpster gets dumped in there landfills! God Bless Caylee! Would love for a miracle and would love for all of us to be proven wrong if they can actually find this baby girl alive!
I really feel sorry for Tim Miller – he spends his time trying to help families find their missing loved ones. Cindy made a statement today that Casey had been “betrayed” – that she “trusted” someone that took Caylee. Cindy has been telling everyone that she needs help to find the child – if she has information to assist in the search, she should put it on the table. Her big excuse is that Casey and the rest of the family is in danger – well, how much safer can you be than when the whole country is watching? If anything at all happened to them, we would all be screaming for justice. Tim went to Florida in good faith – I agree that he certainly did not know what kind of a family he would be dealing with. I don’t blame him at all for wanting out of there asap. I think that he feels the police have a handle on this and there are others who need him desperately. Thank God for people like him, Gale, Brian, the team and people on this board that spend their time trying to give hope! I want to see Caylee found as much as anyone – but this family is a huge waste.
Does anyone know if the $225,000 reward for finding Caylee, would apply if they found her dead? I’m just thinking, if Mr. Padilla is now searching hard fto find Caylee’s body as rumored, maybe his drive is the reward…..along with the fact he doesn’t like to be made a fool of. Regardless what his drive is, I hope he or someone finds her body and hopefully her body will tell the truth as to what happened to this precious little baby.
I have read all documents available on this case and I am more and more inclined to lean toward the Zanny babysitter is actually (xanax). I think she gave her xanax to stay asleep in the car the night of her death and Casey either overdosed her or the car got to hot and she died from the heat of the car. I’m also curious to find out if Casey was getting this very strong and controlled substance from Grandma the nurse! I believe grandma is not just protecting her daughter, but possibly herself also……..
Also the dumpster theory! I have been listening to the call Casey made home. The first call ten minutes long. Her friend Christina asked her, Are you telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth?????????? Casey paused and said, As far as where my daughter is yes im telling the truth! ……She is telling the truth because any psycho who would put there child in a dumpster and the dumpster was taken away would not KNOW WHERE THERE CHILD IS! Duh she is telling the truth there! She is pulling at straws obviously and in her world she is telling the truth…..I don’t know where she is! She doesn’t since the baby could be somewhere that she dumped her and doesn’t know where she is now! We need to look into the dumpster issue more! Praying for this little girl would love to be proven wrong and will be here apologizing when someone gives me the evidence i am. Hail Mary Casey! The Lord is here and he will get to the bottom of this!
Just a few observations..Leonard Padilla bonded Casey out of jail. One comment I haven’t heard yet is that by doing that Padilla actually just reinforced the fact that Casey isn’t going to talk. The excuse for Casey not talking was because she was in jail. Although it turned into a feeding frenzy it also proved that Casey isn’t going to talk regardless of where she is. Also Zanex is a common mispelling for xanax. I think if Casey knew how to spell the babysitters name might have changed. Amy H. made a comment concerning the fact that Casey brought Caylee to beer partys..Amy said that Caylee could sleep through anything..She said it was amazing..Watch the video of Caylee reading the book..for almost three she seemed to have speech problems ( a side effect of xanax)..My mother alarm told me that Caylee looked sick?? Also very disturbing that they found Caylees doll in Caseys car..In Caylee pictures she always had her arms wrapped around that doll. It was left in the car, would that suggest that Caylee was discarded.
At least we know that Casey comes by it honest. I think they would call Cindy an enabler..They always have an excuse why it isn’t their fault and we can see how she passed that to her daughter. They will blame everything and everyone for this tragedy and find every bogus story to try to explain why and what really happened except the truth. Look at Scott Peterson..he will never admit the truth!
I didn’t realize the time line until I just read the 400 page document about this case. Casey DID NOT willingly tell her mother that Caylee was missing. Listening to Cindy would lead you to believe that she had.
Casey and Cindy spoke to each other regularly and Casey even came to the Anthony’s home (without Caylee) during those 31 days that Casey and Caylee were not living at the home but Casey always had an excuse why Caylee wasn’t with her.
Cindy was so upset after George picked up the car that had been towed that she called a friend of Casey’s to ask if she knew where Casey was. The friend went with Cindy to show her where Tony lived. Casey was there and Cindy took her home .
Cindy told Casey that she wanted to see Caylee RIGHT NOW. It was then that Casey told Lee that Caylee had been kidnapped and Lee told Cindy. Cindy, then, called the police
If that car hadn’t been towed which alerted Cindy to the fact that something was VERY wrong Casey would probably still be out partying and no one would be the wiser.
Come on people, we need to read between the lines here:
Cindy Anthony wants people to look for an alive Caylee because she knows there is NO alive Caylee and if people are looking for a LIVE Caylee then Casey is still able to remain innocent as they will not find the DEAD BODY. Check in malls and stores and such where they won’t recover a body, that means throwing the searchers off and away from the outdoor land search just like Casey ran circles around everyone from the beginning. Padilla’s comment was very shocking and in some respects revealing. He looked like he is absolutely appalled with the delusions and lies that are being thrown out to the media and the public and he is fed up so he is beginning to leak information. Why else would he say this? I can see Casey moving the body more than once as has been suggested because Casey does what Casey wants. It is all coming together and the evidence tells the story. We have had now two people who have come forward to assist this family with first a bail bond with little appreciation and now a search team with little appreciation where both parties have claimed that Casey has had little and no interest in the search for her OWN daughter. With the attorney having her not talk we are getting no where with her anyhow so while the evidence is building we need to find the body of Caylee so that she may be laid to rest in decency. I am sure the authorities have lots of incriminating evidence and the case is getting tighter. If Cindy doesn’t want to believe this so she can send everyone on a wild goose chase just as her daughter did then so be it, she is only making herself look more guilty and foolish.
Mary – “If that car hadn’t been towed which alerted Cindy to the fact that something was VERY wrong Casey would probably still be out partying and no one would be the wiser.” SO TRUE. She was playing house with Tony. Read Amy’s statement – she took Cindy to Tony’s apt and had CIndy HIDE around the corner, Casey opened the door and was all WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE to her mother. When her mother got her home & was asking about Caylee, Casey said, ‘SHE IS SAFE. SHE IS FINE’ and only after the police were IN THE FRONT YARD did Casey crack a tiny bit and start the story with Lee that she hadn’t seen her for 31 days. How did she get to the grampa’s nrsing home on 6/15 w/o Casey seeing her, I wonder? anyway……
Kat,
Exactly,
That is why I debunk people’s theory that Cindy had anything to do with Caylee’s disappearance. I am not saying she isn’t covering something up now.
And seeing Cindy now how “out there” she is, I believe she was mostly believing Casey’s lies. Even though Casey talked to her mom every day she had no clue where she was other than what Casey told her.
I don’t think she knew Casey’s friends. Casey only took her friends home when when no one was home.
But it took a certified letter from the tow yard and her finding Amy’s phone number in Casey’s car.
And why would Amy’s phone number be in Casey’s car if they were such good friends? Wouldn’t it be programmed in her phone?
Where is Dick Tracy when you need him?
Oh, I wanted to add that I think Cindy was doubting what Casey was telling her because Casey wouldn’t let her mom talk to Caylee.
I know there was some serious anger going on before Casey left on the 16th.
But if Cindy was that concerned about Caylee, she could have called the Sheriff’s had her her call Pinged from the “get go” (as nancy grace would put it) and know where Casey and Caylee was all along.
AND if the Xanax theory is true, Casey would not need a drug dealer. Her mom is a nurse, I am sure she would be able to access all the samples she wanted for herself. (Who wouldn’t need Xanax when you had a daughter like Casey).
Where is this jailhouse psychologist she was speaking to! Remember her phone call with her brother regarding writing her attorney a letter she told Lee she spoke with the jailhouse psychologist! Does everyone who goes to jail get to speak with a psychologist or only crazy people who need specific medications while in jail. She is definately being treated with medication in jail and seeing a psychologist because of a pre existing problem. How come her family won’t tell us what her problem is! We can sit and ponder for years because im sure this girl will never crack. She will take the answer we need to her grave just like Scott Peterson. Nothing anyone says or does is going to make her feel compelled to tell the truth. She is a liar and will die a LIAR! Even if we find a body I’m sure she already has a story written for her parents to believe.
I hope today is the day that Casey comes clean, oh wait I say that everyday !
I believe we are on the right track about Xanax ….
It is even more possible since Cindy is a nurse and she herself looks very medicated all the time ( I don’t blame her for that I could not make it through all this on my own either )
Anyway I hope the LE officers working on this case can get it out of Casey today. How can she wake up day after day and know what has really happened to Caylee.
One last note I have two son’s 24 & 29 both good boys , college graduates and single ! I worry a girl like Casey will come along and so my heart goes out to Tony and his family I hope Tony is not involved in any of this. It is amazing how many lives are being torn upside down while Casey sits there smug as can be.
Yes,
she is tearing up lives. But look who is on the inside looking out?
I just heard the Nancy Grace show from last night. I really don’t think Cindy is so much in “denial” as much as she wants to exhaust ALL aspects before she can mentally come to grips with the fact that her daughter may be a murderer! I don’t think she knows anything because I belive that Casey could not and would not tell her mother ANYTHING! I think that if Cindy knew anything she would have backed down. Come on people – WE all know the truth, but I’m not so sure I would be able to admit it either (if I were her) until I was given “concrete” evidence that my grand baby were dead. She may be a little crazy — but I think she is just dealing with something so horrific in the best way she knows how.
On another note, she was the one that said on the 911 call “smells like a dead body in the car” if she knew that something had been done to Caylee and was ultimately trying to cover up for her — SHE WOULD NEVER HAD SAID THAT! She is an ex-cop’s wife and knows full well that 911 calls are recorded. I don’t believe that SHE knows anything because Casey hasn’t said a word to her either.
the Father and brother, on the other hand — that’s another story….
Just my two cents….
Tim in CO – didn’t they establish that it was CASEY who posed as Zenaida on that 6/17 visit to SawGrass apts?
You know, Cindy Anthony sounds amazingly like her daughter. Evasive, not answering the questions directly, not offering anything of substance. I think the apple did not fall far from the tree. Her interview last night was filled with nonsense. Sticking to the story that Casey does not know where her daughter is after she says that she “gave” her to someone she trusts, but does not know her name or phone number? What?????? I do not trust Cindy or Casey. I believe that they are both lying and believe that little Caylee is dead at the hands of her mother.
I believe the last time Cindy had a clear head was when she made the two 911 calls. I’ll bet when she made the calls she was just thought the end result would be that Casey would take her to Caylee. She may not have had any idea that the child was “missing” or had been harmed.
She must feel some guilt for making the calls. If she hadn’t done so there’s a chance that whatever happened to Caylee might have just been the families “dirty little secret”. They could have moved out of state where no one knew them or of the existence of this beautiful little girl.
Cindy loves her daughter and you can’t fault her for that. It’s got to be tough knowing she will ultimately lose both Caylee and Casey.
Someone from a police department in Texas posted that it was common knowledge in his department that there was video surveillance of Casey at the dumpster. May be, may be not…….
Kat,
There actually was a Zenaida Gonzalez that looked at an apartment at the Sawgrass Apts. Casey was shown a picture of her and did not know who she was. The coincidence of Zenaida being at the sawgrass apts and Casey somehow “knowing” that information still remains a mystery, for the general public anyways. If the police know the connection they have not indicated at this point.
Bonnie,
If there is I am sure it will come out for the public to see eventually.
Caylee, I know, is at peace.. Cindy, however needs to see her body. I pray she does and she gets some closure to end this. Casey will be judged by her Maker, trust in and know that. I have been praying for all of them, especially Casey, because she is a very sick little girl. I pray she get’s some help in realizing what she has done and just how many lives she has affected, family and strangers alike.
I got it! I think I know why Leonard Padilla said what he did on Nancy Grace. He left George out b/c when Cindy found Casey & brought her home from Tony’s, Lee was there. George was not! He was at work! George is the one that called Lee and asked him to swing by and check on his mother.
Those 3 know what happened. Maybe there is evidence against them ALL. Maybe they never shared it with George. Maybe the extent of their lies and covering-up is what Leonard Padilla means when he says it will “shock the world!”
It would be interesting to see when the order was placed for the concrete to be poured. I heard it was poured over the July 4th wknd but am not certain.
What a wicked web they weave! Whether they are involved or not, they are all lying on some level, I believe!
Maybe everything this family said is 100% scripted – believe it or not…..Lee with his talk of throwing away the toys that smelled like smoke. Easy to blame that on new gifts from strangers. What if they were with Caylee in the car??? Or the trunk?
I wish Casey would have gotten pulled over with the body in her trunk!
Open letter to Cindy Anthony:
No, it was not another body. No foreign prints were found on the vehicle!
I read I think it was on Brians Predictions site right at the bottom latest entry that what Padilla said was something that was said weeks ago on a websleuths website.
Haven’t gotten any answers back on what anyone thought of that.
I went over to the site to look around but they are all generic daily threads. Nothing organized like yourturn has done for this site!
For a grandmother that claims to love her grandchild sure seems to try to cover up many lies for her daughter with her own lies. I can understand that a grandparent being in denial but gosh theres a place you have to sit back and look at the situation. She has been told time and time again Caylee is no longer with us. You have people “Cindy” that have sit aside their lives to try to help your family find your grandaughter while your sitting back saying things bad about them. For the life of me i cannot figure out how you can do that when all they want to do is help you find her. You looked in the camera one day and said you were tired of things the way the have been and for people to get off their A—S and help find your grandaughter. Let me ask you a question. When did you ever look straight in that camera and tell whoever it is that you guys said had her to bring her back home? It is wrong to point the finger at people for what they are doing when all i can see and many others sees that you guys aren’t doing. It is a shame that Caylee has had no one to rely on except for people that are searching so hard to find her when all your daughter has to do is tell them where she put her.
ohio,
personally I find websleuths to be nothing more than a rumor mill. i know we bounce ideas off of one another here, but this site has cold hard documented facts and is extremely organized. yourturn does a fantastic job keeping us informed–KUDOS!
Here4Caylee,
I don’t think they poured cement poured in the back yard. I have heard the new patio or whatever was made with some sort of blocks that were just laid down…… which would be very easy to move and look under.
thanks Kim,
I opened up one of the threads and saw that is was just a place to leave comments.
At least here we may have our own ideas and theories, but when it comes to known facts, if it isn’t here, someone will usually try to track it down and bring it back to the table.
I give Yourturn double Kudos for this website.
Another web site stated weeks ago that, they believe that Lee is the father of Caylee. This may be part of the dna evidence that will shock the world, as the bounty hunter said. Why did he call Lee name first, when this is about Caylee and Casey.?
Hello Mr. Padilla:
PLEASE do not do the bond thing again with Casey Anthony. There is no evidence anywhere that the woman will lead anyone anywhere, for any reason. Don’t you understand she is a liar…..I beg you in the name of all that is decent, do not let Casey out of jail again. We will be headed for another 3-ring circus resulting in disaster.
Let LE do their job, and prayerfully the team from Texas…..it’s a good method on a normal person, but everyone (us common folk) believe this woman isn’t normal…..please listen to the people…..I hope you get this email, I pray you get it and take heed…..don’t muddy the water….Please don’t let Baez influence you again…..please…..
(refer to the breaking news earlier this afternoon)
i ALSO THOUGHT THAT TOO. THE MYSTERY OF THE FATHER-NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME FORWARD WITH ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE FATHER-ALSO CAYLEE’S NAME IS PART-CASEY AND PART LEE. CASEY HAS ANGER IN HER-SO MUCH -SHE HATES HER FAMILY SO MUCH YOU CAN FEEL IT THROUGH EACH PHONE CALL. ALSO THE DUMPSTER BY WHERE THE CAR WAS ABANDONED-I ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT THAT-SHE COULD HAVE DUMPED THINGS IN THAT ALSO. CASEY HAS SO MUCH HATE IN HER AND ANGER. WHY DON’T THE COPS HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE YET? WHEN WILL THEY CHARGE HER. I KNOW THEY WOULD HAVE CHARGED ANY OTHER MOTHER BY NOW. ANOTHER THING-WHEN A CHILD HAS A NANNY-THEY REFER TO THAT NANNY OFTEN IN EVERYDAY CONVERSATIONS. HAS CAYLEE EVER MENTIONED “ZANNI’S” NAME? I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING. THE GRANDMOTHER KNOWS SOMETHING-HER FIRST PHONE CALL TO THE POLICE TELLS THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND WHAT IS TRUE. THEY SAY WHEN YOU ARE IN A PANIC MODE-YOU SAY WHAT IS IN YOUR GUT. AND SHE SURE SAID IT ALL.
Kat … Casey is a talented liar and cheat perhaps there was a guest book at the apartments that Casey went in and got the name from ??? I think when she was not partying she spent a lot of time thinking up ways to get out of this. Going to the apartment complex and checking out the guest book might have been easier than we think.
The apartment was no where near where Casey said it was and it had been empty for months.
I wish we knew how she came up with that name, It is has to be something that Casey was able to get at . Maybe she was able to just walk in and look around the lobby.
I don’t think the “FATHER” or lack of one has anything to do with this. I think she just didn’t know who to blame it on. Lee seems to be getting the most rumors started about him, but I don’t believe any of them.
Sources close to the investigation confirmed to Eyewitness News late Wednesday afternoon that preliminary tests show chloroform inside the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car. That is the same place investigators found a hair and a stain they believe belonged to Caylee Anthony and that showed she was dead.
Also late Wednesday afternoon, a cadaver dog alerted on an area in the search for Caylee Anthony just south of the Orlando International Airport. It’s near the same place where search teams have been scouring the woods trying to find Caylee’s body.
Orange County investigators were at the scene Wednesday evening to investigate the discovery made by the Body Hunters, an organization out of Ohio. That group said their own cadaver dogs hit on something, but it was unclear what that discovery may be or if it was connected to the Anthony case.
If Casey didl eave Caylee with Zanny the Nanny and if Cindy is so sure her grand daughter is with someone and if that crazy family believes there daughter that someone took caylee then why hasn’t there been a sketch compsite made of this so called person?
Cindy claims they have had tips and people need to follow on them why not release a sketch description of this person?
Has anyone checked the cementaries around that area.
Dad is awful quite just like his daughter, boy did he teach her a thing or two. I smell good retired cop gone bad. If they are so sure she is alive then why aren’t they out looking for her? Cindy keeps saying they know she is alive and that they can’t say anything because it could hurt Caylee, well is that not with holding information, interferring with a investigation, bring the grandparents in arrest them maybe Casey well confess then.
Im sorry to say but the only person who has caylee is the Lord above.
Cindy wants everyone to search for Caylee but says Casey can’t reveal any info about where Caylee is or who these people are that have her. Why? Because they have threatened the lives of Caylee and her family.
If Casey can’t send LE to look for these people why would she want the average citizen to be looking for them. Are the threats to the family null and void if someone other than LE finds them and Caylee? Or,are the threats null and void as long as Casey doesn’t help with the search?
I’m sorry, I just don’t get it.
I guess everyone I am sending this email to has heard about Caylee Anthony, and the sorry mess that surrounds her disappearance. For some reason, this whole deal has captured my attention. Maybe because she is such a cute little girl, maybe because it is close to home…..maybe because I can not stand a liar….below is a link to the Tim Miller organization who is involved with Orange County Sheriff looking for this little girl. If you get on the site and read it thoroughly, you can’t help but admire this man. His young daughter was abducted and murdered at the age of 16, and that is why he started this non profit organization. I emailed him a note of appreciation and also told him if I was younger and single, I would be a part of his team for sure. Please click on the site and see what you think! Thank God there are some good people, who know what integrity means still out there. – this is a cause worth donating to
http://texasequusearch.org/index.html
The above is an email I sent out to my Central Florida friends. I am all for LE and for Tim Miller’s organization. Up with Truth and Integrity, down with LIES
Thank You Bonnie!..This is a great chance for everyone to pitch in..People like Tim are our childrens HERO…I don’t have much but I can certainly donate something..
Nancy,
In the opening of the past 2 night’s broadcasts , you have George Anthony shouting, that the person that was in the back of his grandaughters (daughter’s) car took his grand daughter!
What does that mean exactly? Did Casey kill the kidnapper and put them in the trunk? They are truly delusional. I would like to know what he meant if you could get Cindy to answer that when she decides to pop onto your show again.
I’ve seen that video several times and I think he said that the person in the back of his grand daughter’s car wasn’t his grand daughter.
He meant in the back of his DAUGHTER”S car.
I’ve listened very closely because others have wondered what he said, also.
Nancy,
I thought that was what George was saying also “took my granddaughter”, but he is actually saying “is not my granddaughter”.
I think he wants to believe a kidnap story, but that’s still a hard one to weave considering the decomposition in the trunk and it not being Caylee.
I have much to say about the Caylee Anthony story…
first I think the Grandparents orat least the frandmother knows alot more..talk about lying.. Ithink Casy learned from her.. first she calls the police says she smelled a dead body..then she says its a pizza bold.. come on now lets getreal..who is buying this..
also from what I understandCaset’s father is ex police..whatis the chance that Casey made up this whole story.. she seems to be the kind thatlike sto be in the spotlight and at the same time perhaps wants revenge withher dad..something ok Dad.. if you were such a good cop.. I gotone you cant figure out..
I know thatis a far fetched story, but bot as crazy as the one being told by the casey’s…
Unfortunately I belive Caylee is dead…as a grandmother this i s just gut wrenching and I hope this case is solved rather soon..We have all adopted little Caylee as our own and our hearts are torn by this terrible story…
To the “Grandmother”….
Cindy…….
Please STOP dancing on your grandaughters grave.
Please GET OUT of Caseys dark place.
Please follow the light.
Please do it for Caylee.
She, NOT Casey needs you.
VERY VERY WELL PUT VENICE. WISH CINDY WOULD READ THAT!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A NANCY GRACE SITE – WE ONLY DISCUSS THE SHOW – JEEZE!!!!
she probably has
kat – no, Casey DID NOT pose as “the nanny” – there actually was a zanieda that looked at an apartment
Patty and LindaOz – this is not the NANCY GRACE SHOW, we only DISCUSS the show!!! Now, I’m sure she’s reading this, but only one of the “Nancy’s” on this site, will answer your questions, without all the screaming
No worries Patty and LindaOZ
It happens nightly on these open threads
didn’t mean to type in all caps – sorry
#1- WHY did Casey NEED a babysitter if she didn’t work?
#2- Assuming that there really is/was a babysitter, was she caring for Caylee without being paid?
#3- If she was paid, where did Casey get the money? Were her parents paying for this also?
#4-Someone should follow the money trail, however we all know no one was being paid because there was NO babysitter.
#5- Still someone should ask the entire family about how often she was paid, how much, by cash only, what was the rate the “babysitter” charged, etc., etc.
#6- This entire thing is ridiculous! NO ONE really believes the poor girl is alive.
I just wanted to throw this out there…
Along with all the stuffed animals that where given and thrown out by the Anthony Family because of supposed smoke smells…What if Casey burned the body of this poor little girl? What if that’s why she needed the cans of gas that she stole from her parents, and then the shovel that was borrowed from neighbors, to cover up the burned remains? Does anyone know if cadaver dogs would be able to pick up the scent of a dead body if it had been burned first? I’m very interested to know about this theory, because if she did in fact burn her before discarding her remains, it’s possible to conceive Caylee’s body may never be found and justice may never be served. I pray this is not the case!
Anyone considered that Lee is the father of Caylee? The name Caylee is 1/2 of Casey’s name and Lee’s name. There is no way that baby’s father is dead and hopefully DNA will prove that!
At our house, we believe that Casey came home that final night without Caylee (told mom she would bring Caylee to her the next day, etc.) to kill her parents. If she did that, she could blame them for Caylee’s disappearance and she would get the house, car and money that she told her friends her parents were going to deed over to her. Casey would have no problem killing Caylee but she would have needed the chloroform for her parents to subdue them and render them unconscience. Casey was unhappy that her parents were making her find a home of her own and bring up Caylee by herself. She was especially angry with her father. We think she was trying to take care of her problems all at one time.
I also believe Casey took the car seat, the toys, books, clothing etc. to a pawn shop or children’s clothing consignment store. Casey loved and needed money .This would give her money for the groceries she was holding when Tony picked her up early in the morning of the day she left the car at the Amscot.
Anyone agree with any of these points?
Remember the psychics? How about the unusual building in their visions being the traffic tower at the airport? There were supposed to be trees on the side.I don’t believe for a second that Casey went into any dirty areas to dispose of Caylee. That isn’t in her character. She is only interested in herself and people would have noticed if she was bloody, dirty, etc.
Watch the cam!!
I am sorry for the grandparents who lost not only their granddaughter but also their daughter.
I ♥ Nancy Grace she tells it how it is. Go to hell casey!
OH BOO-HOOOOO!!! Here Casey is moaning and groaning about what a victim SHE is! How HER life has been taken away from her! What a disgustingly sorry excuse for a human she is!
She is SUCH a sleazy drama queen!
I can hardly wait to see the jailhouse videos of her talking to her parents AFTER they found little Caylee’s body!
About the filled syringe–talk’s been about its use for body builders or sex reassignment. There’s another, possibly more relevant in this case.
Testosterone cream is a supplement prescribed for post-menopausal women. Very helpful with hot flashes, fatigue, etc.
Anyway, it comes in a needle-less syringe, is squeezed onto the wrist and rubbed in. Obviously, an empty would leave a residue. Liquid Chloroform could be drawn into the syringe, then dispensed orally (like when we medicate children or pets with medicine syringes)
So, let’s not go point at George too quickly.